The problem with the Uyghurs in China is less about deaths and more about cultural genocide. They’ve been rounded up and jailed en-masse (estimates are upwards of a million people), threatened, surveilled, etc, all to force them to submit and abandon their cultural heritage. It’s pretty similar in scope to the Japanese Internment in the US, but much larger in scope and with a much more nefarious goal.
I obviously don’t have hard figures on the actual death toll (not sure anyone does, as China doesn’t seem interested in disclosing it), but again, regardless of whether it’s higher or lower than whatever you’ll attribute to the US, the worst part here is forced cultural assimilation, or in other words, psychological violence (i.e. punishing “wrong thing”).
Odd, because I didn’t get it blessed by a priest. :)
Seriously though, there’s a pretty big difference between doing the genocide yourself and supplying weapons to an ally, who uses those weapons for genocide.
I think this is a very convenient position for the US. It fails to take into account the depth of connections between Israel and the US, and how much of the situation in Gaza can only happen because of the US.
Even if I grant that there is some genocide scaling factor because it’s done by a vassal state, I still would argue the devastation of Gaza is certainly more far extensive.
The US has very little reason to target Palestinians, and most of the violence from Palestinian groups have targeted Israelis. The US is far more concerned about other groups in the region, like ISIS, the Taliban, and the Houthis. The main reason the US seems to care is because they successfully carried out an attack on our ally.
vassal state
The US has repeatedly told Israel to scale back their operations in Gaza and allow humanitarian aid in, yet they completely ignore it. There’s absolutely no way Israel is anywhere close to a “vassal state,” they do pretty much whatever they want.
But yeah, Israel is certainly emboldened by having such a powerful ally. That doesn’t make the US responsible for Israeli actions though.
Ok, you’re either trolling or been fed a lot of misinformation. The problem is about recency and extensiveness, and China is worse on both.
The USA has killed orders of magnitudes more people in the last few years. Just, objectively.
Source?
The problem with the Uyghurs in China is less about deaths and more about cultural genocide. They’ve been rounded up and jailed en-masse (estimates are upwards of a million people), threatened, surveilled, etc, all to force them to submit and abandon their cultural heritage. It’s pretty similar in scope to the Japanese Internment in the US, but much larger in scope and with a much more nefarious goal.
I obviously don’t have hard figures on the actual death toll (not sure anyone does, as China doesn’t seem interested in disclosing it), but again, regardless of whether it’s higher or lower than whatever you’ll attribute to the US, the worst part here is forced cultural assimilation, or in other words, psychological violence (i.e. punishing “wrong thing”).
Is your point here that China’s actions against Uyghurs is more recent and extensive than the US’s part in Gaza?
Recent, extensive, and active. The US doesn’t have a direct part in Gaza, China has a direct part in the issues w/ the Uyghurs.
I’m not saying the US is innocent here, just that they’re very different situations.
This argument is incredibly hallow to me.
Odd, because I didn’t get it blessed by a priest. :)
Seriously though, there’s a pretty big difference between doing the genocide yourself and supplying weapons to an ally, who uses those weapons for genocide.
I think this is a very convenient position for the US. It fails to take into account the depth of connections between Israel and the US, and how much of the situation in Gaza can only happen because of the US.
Even if I grant that there is some genocide scaling factor because it’s done by a vassal state, I still would argue the devastation of Gaza is certainly more far extensive.
The US has very little reason to target Palestinians, and most of the violence from Palestinian groups have targeted Israelis. The US is far more concerned about other groups in the region, like ISIS, the Taliban, and the Houthis. The main reason the US seems to care is because they successfully carried out an attack on our ally.
The US has repeatedly told Israel to scale back their operations in Gaza and allow humanitarian aid in, yet they completely ignore it. There’s absolutely no way Israel is anywhere close to a “vassal state,” they do pretty much whatever they want.
But yeah, Israel is certainly emboldened by having such a powerful ally. That doesn’t make the US responsible for Israeli actions though.