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It’s almost like the good ol’ days of install fests and the like! ‘End of 10’ is an organization that’s making it easy for Windows 10 users with computers that can’t upgrade to Windows 11, to install Linux instead of sending good hardware to the landfill.
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Never felt so much more in control than when ditching Windows and installing first Linux Mint and later Kubuntu. Gonna try Arch in the future to feel like a god and completely in control over what happens on my machine.
that trajectory leads to Antix to give you full control over every decision and then from there to debian or devuan because all that decision making is exhausting, can’t the machine just work and only update when there’s security patches?
Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Windows? I 'member.
I was for many of us. So, they were not totally wrong.
So much this. I had dabbled with Linux on various sbc knockoff raspberry pis and put one distro on an old netbook that I gave to a friend. Now my main laptop is going full penguin.
They didn’t. They said it was the last version of windows you’d ever need.
Technically, they didn’t, they just never corrected someone who did, and it spread far.
I’m glad people are helping others move to Linux once the EOL support for Windows 10 comes. There’s no reason for good hardware to end up rotting in a landfill. Not only can people use these machines still, it helps the environment since there’s less electronics wasting away in landfills since most people don’t properly recycle electronics.
My old gaming PC isn’t “good enough” for Win11 (tpm2 ofc), yet compared to the Win11 PC my wife’s work forced on her you’d think it was some sort of future supercomputer
If enough people actually ditch their hardware then we server admins are going to eat good this year, mmmmmmm
I’ll take there hardware and turn them into servers if they want to throw there old computer away
Windows 10 end of life is just nature’s way of setting you free.
Among lot of distro, Linux mint has to be the closest to windows and more refined
Hopefully many more Windows refugees would embrace the Kingdom of Torvalds.
Can’t you just install bit defender? It’s just that one chip on the board that was added about 10 yrs ago to prevent hackers using that desktop tunnel on the elderly. So dumb that they had to promote large scale computer waste over a piece of hardware smaller than a thumb drive.
It’s part of the design. You think their partners weren’t ecstatic about them implementing something like this, that has a very easy work around that they aren’t advertising‽
Show me how to use the Xbox app in Linux and I will switch today.
But isnt this like asking “Show me how to run Nintendo Services on the PS5 and I will switch”?
Windows has it’s own ecosystem just as much as Linux has it’s own ecosystem, so expecting Linux to run everything Microsoft is kinda of unreasonable IMO.
To switch an OS also means to switch an ecosystem. You wouldn’t move from Android to iOS expecting it to run Android’s .apk, right?
I’m not criticizing you tho, if a service you rely on doesnt work on Linux, then Linux isnt for you, and you’re free to use Windows, an OS is just a tool after all 😁
I dual boot at this point. I have a POP_OS! nvme where I do normal pc stuff and maybe some light single player gaming, then I boot into my windows ssd for the heavier anticheat stuff. Imma be completely honest though. For most people I recommend just upgrading to windows 11 if you can. Linux is great but I think if someone just cares about gaming they should stick to windows.
My gaming computer under my TV is windows 10. My laptop where I do adult things is Linux mint. It’s a valid strategy
Completely valid take. I think that most Linux gamers dual boot (at least inside my circle of friends) (but no me tho, I’m Linux exclusive!) I think that when people doscuss Linix vs Windows, they often forget that you dont necessarily need to get rid of one system in favor of the other, you can simply integrate Linux into your workflow.
I wish I could be linux exclusive. But my friends and I play games that wont work properly under it. Recently we’ve been really into halo infinite but that game just doesnt work well under linux. I do plan on building an all amd system this fall so thatll be a big help towards fully jumping to linux for me but for now dual booting is my strategy. Im sure ill make someone mad with how I go about things but its what works for my use case.
I think one of the reasons why I can do gaming exclusively on Linux is because I hardly play competitive games, so I didnt miss Valorant, League of Legends, Apex and the like. But it’s still a reeeeal shame that these games insists on blocking Linux tho.
Bad take.
First, bad analogy because on windows pc, Xbox runs smoothly while on PS5, Nintendo services were never allowed.
Second, Linux is for him because the more people that switch to Linux and use it over corpo spyware OSs the better.
Not sure if serious
You are the worst kind of commenter and I wish for you to feel self hatred born of incompetence.
Not sure if serious…
Game pass not worth supporting shitty behavior over.
Gamepass was made to have you in the ecosystem so you really can’t, and I don’t blame you since it helps with these expensive games like the new Doom
Out of curiosity what even does someone use that app for. Iv always just turned it on on my windows installs. It always just breaks and caused me issues. Or performed worse then just other apps for the same job.
I play XBox games on my computer. My computer is more than 10x faster then my XBox so games often play way better.
Or pretty much almost any game or driver issues.
I like Linux but these video game developers dont support their game properly for Linux.
Majority of steam games work without issue nowadays ime
Just an FYI - you don’t have to throw away computers that can’t upgrade past Windows 10. They will keep working.
Long story short, my Dad just got a new computer. (His old was was actually really old, but he could have used Linux.)
Anyway, I told him not to throw out the old computer and that I would take it. He was baffled that I would want it or could even do anything with it.
I am going to set it up as a backup server in the house for my parents and myself as it will be a nice way to have an offsite backup for free.
So many use cases! I’m giving an old NUC to a kid at work who’s learning Linux. Jesus, the kid bought a copy of Linux from “the best/most-famous hacker in the world!”. We had a come-to-Jesus talk about that horseshit.
Unbelievable. Linux sellers deserve the death penalty. /s (mostly…)
I recently virtualised an XP machine that had been running since time immemorial, and will continue to (virtually) do so.
But you don’t want to do anything that requires security on them like shopping, email, or anything that requires you to log into to an account that you dont want stolen.
You can, if you install Linux
Windows 7 is on par with Mint on the Steam hardware survey.
I’m thinking the stuff you “don’t want to do” after Windows lack of support ranks pretty low on people’s new year’s resolutions.
Not true. As long as you keep updating your browsers etc you’re going to be generally ok.
I’m doing my part!
I’ve loaded Mint on my prime system and a laptop, another laptop with Fedora, Manjaro on another main system I test with and EndeavorOS on all my media systems. I’ve also loaded about 8-10 other distros on Proxmox to play/test with.
Where I had doubts on whether I needed anything off of the old MS system, I P2V’ed the OS and spool it up on Proxmox if needed to review any history within the OS/browser.
I still have a couple of W10 VMs lingering and a Windows server. I’ll “upgrade” the workstation VMs to W11 (and shut them down) since I have the license and I can see sometimes having to use Windows for whatever dumb reasons. I’ll leave the Windows server for now to maintain the domain as that allows me to block telemetry with GPOs. I may tire of that at some point though as MS will further wane away on my network.
My summer task is to convert all my 'Arrr software over to Linux versions. Still on W10 there. Wasn’t sure which distro to go to for that…
Re: Arr software, spin up an Ubuntu VM and install Docker. Spin up portainer and then use that to spin up all thr arrs. Ezpz
Windows 10 users encountering this post: this sounds like a lot of work. I’ll just stick to windows 11.
Disabling all the dumb shit and ads on win11 is triple the work of switching to linux and learning to use it.
If you honestly believe that, this is another great example as to why people would stick to Windows 11.
Because they love spending hours and hours on removing bloatware? And hate having a clean, functional os? Yeah that is the last remaining use case of windows beyond proprietary apps.
Well, thanks for confirming you really do believe the memes lol.
idunno how you can have an another opinion after using both.
Because as someone who does use both, disabling Windows settings that arent great takes about 15 minutes.
If it takes you multiple hours, you’re really bad at using computers or something.
KDE Neon here. I really really like it.
endof10.org seems like a good website to direct people to via posters in your local community center or church. Or you can call a repair club in your area to ask if they want to be listed. Those are likely to have some Linux enthousiast members and already have a location.
Im hearing proton is good for games?
i second @FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee
it’s fantastic for like 85% of all games, and good to acceptable for like 10%. the only big issue is games with kernel level anti cheats, which is a problem for some gamers, mainly AAA and fps lovers.Games with kernal anti-cheat should be treated with precisely the level of respect they show to us.
I’m not sure I can give up helldivers at this point tho.
Helldivers 2 works on linux
Yeah some anticheat works. OK GAMERS LISTEN UP Linux is being cock blocked by companies. Anticheat even kernel levels have Linux support it’s time to start a movement to enabling anticheat Linux support. Some anticheat the company only needs to send a message and they haven’t sent the email. Let’s start a witch hunt for all these companies so they can send the email or enable it.
Kernel level anti cheats that enable Wine/Proton support doesn’t actually run in kernel mode on Wine/Proton. Instead it allows itself to be run in user mode provided that it likes the environment enough. And maybe RDTSC latency isn’t too high?
Nah. Anything that says “yes, kernel-level anticheats will work here” - I will be out. To the point of LFS and offline games only, if need be
Ahh what’s what the previous person meant by competitive games.
You can always check ProtonDB
Love this thanks!
It’s fantastic. Unless you’re playing a specific few multiplayer competitive games, it’s just like windows (sometimes even better in terms of performance - and sometimes better in terms of retro compatibility)
Nice! So long as i can still play with by siblings on some private games ill be ok.
Do note that generally speaking an AMD gpu on Linux vs Windows similarly. You can maybe expect a 1-2 FPS downgrades on average but it really depends on the game.
On the other hand, NVIDIA gpus have a bit more FPS disadvantage but it’s still not a major drawback I think? Idk how much is the fps difference
In my experience, Nvidia drivers work just fine. They’re just proprietary, and once in a while they release a faulty driver (which you can just roll back ofc). Happened to me a couple of times over the past… 14 years, fuck
Really sets the expectations from Nvidia.
Back when I switched to Linux, Nvidia worked much better than AMD cards, but everyone hates them for not providing open source drivers, understandably
1-2 FPS‽ The horror! faints
Jokes aside I can see more of a difference than that by simply forgetting to close a few tabs of YouTube before starting my games. Or even starting a game when my room is already hot.
1-2 FPS is basically a rounding error IMO.
It is outstanding
Been playing for years on a nearly daily basis, from Baldur’s Gate 3 to Elden Ring to now Clair Obscur… to VR with e.g. Half-life : Alyx. That’s on my desktop and often also on my Steam Deck. So… yes, Proton is very VERY good for games!
Clair Obscur is running more smoothly for me on Linux than Windows. That doesn’t always happen, but it’s always satisfying when it does.
Proton is so good that even when a game has a native Linux version, I often opt for the Proton version (so my games are all in one place). I was even able to install mods for games like Baldur’s Gate 3 (albeit with a bit of tinkering)
When I installed the Linux version of “7 days to die” the graphics were washed out and bad. I switched to the windows version with proton and it fixed the game.
7D2D is one of my all time favorite sandbox open world zombie games. I love HUGE modded cities to explore. Their dungeon system that came out a few versions ago is fucking awesome. The pois are amazing, even when they are just a basic farm house.
Yes the game is awesome, I have played almost 700 hours so far. Offline and online, I ran a few servers too, lots of fun playing with others.
I don’t remember how many hours I have, but I’ve been playing since Alpha 11 when you had to make weapon molds lol. I hated that system.
Wow you may have played older versions than me. But I did play the console version too, lol to that version too.
My wife and I started a new playthrough yesterday.
It’s things like this that make me think I’m the main character in a simulation.
Start playing 7D2D again amd then immediately stumble across it being talked about randomly on lemmy haha
Yeah, it’s the consistency of it that’s so impressive.
Been on Linux full time for al about 2 months now… Proton and Bazzite have made the transition soooo much easier as gaming is what was always holding me back.
I’ve been full time linux since 2017, i think (it was a long time ago)
Honestly, linux gaming with steam/proton has been really good for a LONG time. Like even “AAA” games like RDR2 have been working well whenever i buy them (not on release day, but maybe a year after)
In 2025, there’s really no reason not to go linux unless you play some very specific game that absolutely doesnt work on linux
Yea, gaming has come a long long way thanks to Valve. I was also holding back due to this (and not wanting to spend too much of my spare time learning a new OS and commands etc) but I just installed Zorin (chosen for minimal effort) and hardly had to do anything. I struggled a bit to get Proton to work at first but now my entire Steam library works perfectly and I’m so much happier with it than I ever was using Windows. Gonna be getting my friends and some family on it as well!
I switched in January because my PC doesn’t support TPM 2.0 (gen 1 ryzen) after having not tried Linux since like 2011 gaming honestly kind of blew my mind, basically as “plug and play “ as windows.
I’m so happy that I went intel instead of gen1 ryzen that generation.
I still use it for work and would be so pissed if I needed to buy a new computer just to use Windows 11.
I genuinly need windows or mac for my work. I use linux on my personal laptop.
Yeah, don’t get me wrong it’s been mostly good but I made that choice at the time because it was a relief to see Intel finally getting some actual competition but there was some stability issues early on and I got burned on the back end with the TPM support.
That said, I can’t complain too much. 1800x and a 1080Ti still work perfectly fine for most things and the only “problem” is the lack of Windows support from Microsoft that could be worked around (for the time being).
Oh well it made me install Linux for the first time since 2012 and I’ve found I like it more anyway. Silver linings.
Part of me still does not think Microsoft is going to go through with it. There are too many Windows 10 PCs that will just become infected.
Part of me thinks the government will intervene as I think it could genuinely be a security issue to have so many unsecured devices in the wild.
But, another part of me has no hope for the future.
Sooo… I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Sadly people said the same for xp and 7 soo…
No lie. We play this game every 7 years or so. I was training on a Win10 machine at work yesterday. Think they’re updating that? Nah. Hell, it probably could take an 11 upgrade and they haven’t bothered. Why? It’s a locked down machine. And if IT don’t care, home users certainly won’t.
Lol there is a pc with win xp at my job that is offline but its the only pc left with software we need. Apparently it won’t run on new stuff. I call bs but its survived this long somehow.
Question is has the company who made the software gone bust and is the software so nieche that no one else has made a replacement?
Its software for a very specific widget that is still sold internationally from a vendor. Ppl could theoretically buy it directly from the vendor but we want to keep the premium i guess. once a year we get into problems with the widget and no one seems to know how it works. Like how? We sell hundreds a year. In fact it is so problematic we tell people to have the vendor service it than having our team do it. What a joke. Feels like massive bs that gets swept under rug every time.
You could probably hire like 2 developers for a month to rewrite it in Rust and have an actually good product. Also make it work on Linux
Rofl just told some of the managers about it. They didn’t know. Im gonna suggest this next. Bet they all laugh.
They’re working to make home users care. I get a full screen popup every couple weeks reminding me that Win 10 is going out of support and my pc isn’t eligible to upgrade. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them get more aggressive with that shit in October. I also ran into issues with 7 where apps would just refuse to work on it so they have that route to fuck us too.
At least there was an upgrade path from them.
I upgraded my Win 10 laptop to IoT Enterprise LTSC recently which is stupidly easy and grants you support till 2032.
Aside from some weird app incompatibilities it’s been working fine.
I don’t think that many people want to buy Windows Enterprise, which they typically want you to also buy a support contract for.
Unless you pirated it, but I don’t think telling people to “just run this pirate code” is that good of an idea.
Of course it’s up to you whether you want to use something that, according to Microsoft, you’re not supposed to use, but the only “pirate-code” I had to run was to activate it. The upgrade itself was pretty straightforward. You could use it just fine without activating it if you wanted.
IMO it’s a better option buying a new computer to run Windows 11 officially. I’m not including Linux because I specifically wanted to keep Windows on the Laptop to run apps that don’t work on Linux.
I did an upgrade, instead of a clean install, to the same version. I just had to reinstall my graphics driver and everything works as before, I just went through another step to remove some programs and it’s been smooth sailing since.
Massgrave.dev provided what I needed. Was a breeze.
I did an in-place upgrade as well. I was surprised how easy it was; it’s just one Registry key and from there you can just do a normal upgrade.
Way easier than installing Windows 11, which wouldn’t even officially run on my ThinkPad T540p…
