Sort of a follow up to my topic asking why NDE Research wasn’t taken seriously. Which btw I got great replies to.

I was expecting the usual “Oh near death isn’t REALLY death.” And “Because its bullshit.” Strawman non answers

But instead I got people interfacing with the data and pointing out that an afterlife was no the direction the data headed outside of spirituality circles that did not interpret the data correctly to begin with.

So looking at how everything to do with conciousness leads to the brain and how we have discovered that a sense of self separate from the body is illusionary.

I have to ask

Is it an open secret that the afterlife is debunked?

I can find tons of arguments and information against it and the only thing supporting basically going “Well the brain is your conciousness but no one knows for sure.”

So a “I’m not saying no, but I sure as hell am not saying yes.” Being the strongest yes isn’t exactly reassuring. It makes me think the “I don’t know” is actually a “no” trying to be polite

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    Is it an open secret that the afterlife is debunked?

    Nope

    An afterlife is incredibly unlikely, but anyone who knows anything about consciousness will tell you they don’t know shit.

    “Well the brain is your conciousness but no one knows for sure.”

    That’s not true, the brain is more like the scaffolding that allows consciousness to exist. It’s the interface a consciousness uses to pilot a body.

    It’s complicated and we’re finding out new amazing things literally monthly, but so far while we’ve made ground finding out how the brain facilitates consciousness and what interrupts it…

    There’s nothing we’ve ever found that “saves” consciousness when we become unconscious. Yet people can go into a coma for months/years, and still snap back.

    We don’t know where the fuck that consciousness went, but it was somewhere it came back from.

    But like I said, we don’t “know” shit, and we as a species have barely spent any time/effort into the topic either.

    We’re just lucky that one of the smartest living humans picked it up as a retirement project 30 years ago and he likes to stay busy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose

    He’s honestly the only reason we know anything about consciousness

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        I mean, it hasn’t even been a year since we discovered microtubules could sustain quantum superposition.

        That’s what I’m talking about, shit is moving so fast and it’s kind of crazy Penrose is alive to see it.

        Einstein didn’t get to live to see Penrose prove him right.

        It blows my mind still every time I see a new video of him giving a presentation. The fact that he’s still alive and kicking, and just the gains that we’ve made over his lifetime.

        There’s not many things to be optimistic about these days, so I take it when I can get it.