Nah, they don’t. They sometimes pretend they do, but they don’t. They sit around, waiting for magical leftist candidates to appear from thin air, but they never vote for them locally, they never vote for them in primaries, so they never had a chance to not vote for them in generals.
Hell, Bernie Sanders lost popular vote in primaries twice, once to pokemon-go-to-the-polls corporate lady, and once for nothing-will-fundamentally-change old guy.
Leftist in america either don’t exist an mass, or don’t vote, or have no idea how political process in their country works, and I let you decide what is worse.
Sanders lost both presidential primaries he was in. AOC is a member of House of Representatives. Sawant is on a city council. Mamdani is the only example in recent history of a progressive candidate beating a conservative candidate in direct primaries. I struggle to think of someone else from your “etc” list who also did that. Maybe there is someone. In any scenario, the list is very short.
openly screwed him over
“The sun was in my eyes” is also a good excuse. In any regard, he didn’t get the votes. The DNC was also in his eyes, but he didn’t get the votes, that’s what is important here. If he did, if he would get more votes than other candidates, the situation might be different, and the excuse that DNC didn’t go with him even though he’s more popular might hold the water, but that’s not what happened. What happened is he got less votes than other candidates.
If you voted for Sanders at least as much as NY democrats voted for Mamdani (which is not that much actually, he barely got 10% more votes than the criminal he was against), the DNC would not be able to stop him, but you didn’t, so they didn’t even have to.
That’s… Did you actually read my comment? What people? More than whom?
My argument that in wast majority of cases where progressive runs against conservative, progressive wins. And your rebuttal is to list two people who practically weren’t in that situation, one who did and lost, one who did and win, and etc.
Do you think 4 people are a lot? Do you think a person from a city council is a good example of that wast amount of progressive voters showing an mass? Do you think a progressive candidate losing popular vote in primaries twice in a row is a good example of this abundance of progressive voters you’re trying to convey?
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that there are conservative democrats who prefer more conservative democrats over progressive anyone, and there are conservative republicans who don’t want to vote for Trump but wouldn’t vote for any progressives either. The work that demonstrates that is every single democratic primaries, and all the conservative ones.
Also, I am explicitly not advocating for moving to the right, if you need me to spell it out. I don’t think it’s a good decision morally, and I don’t think it’s a good decision politically.
What I’m advocating for, is for progressives to participate in democracy, and not wait for democracy to happen to them. Conservatives vote more than progressives. Democratic party consistently interprets it as a call to move to the right, that’s how democracy works. That’s bad. The only way to fix that is to outvote conservatives.
Also, I am explicitly not advocating for moving to the right, if you need me to spell it out. I don’t think it’s a good decision morally, and I don’t think it’s a good decision politically.
And yet you/re saying it “demonstrably” works. I see no demonstration.
What I’m advocating for, is for progressives to participate in democracy, and not wait for democracy to happen to them.
Keep getting shut out by an establishment that prefers donald trump to raising the minimum wage? Must be your fault no matter how hard you work because you’re not involved enough! We never have to change! Well, except to move to the right!
Democratic party consistently interprets it as a call to move to the right, that’s how democracy works.
That’s how excuses work. They know moving to the right doesn’t net them any republican votes (“dEmOnStRaBlY” or otherwise), but since they want to move to the right no matter what, they use it as an excuse.
Republicans won’t vote for the lesser evil. They prefer the greater evil every time. But it’s a great excuse for centrist democrats who want to be evil to keep being more evil.
Not just covering up but iirc he had a direct role in them via a policy that forced nursing homes to accept covid patients to free up hospital beds, leading to a high number of nursing home outbreaks.
Then this was followed by ignoring or avoiding questions about it during his daily covid press release updates.
Yeah, a lot of people here seem to have proverbial goldfish memories. A candidate can do something really bad a couple years ago, run again, and people are like “oh they seem cool”. I don’t know what it is.
I have a hard time keeping up with all the names in American politics so I went ahead and looked this guy up
This is like the third sentence on his Wikipedia page.
It’s why centrists love him so dearly. They think that “just do what republicans do but less” wins votes.
It demonstrably does. Voting Americans are deeply conservative. Conservative Americans are voting.
Leftists are also voting, when they have candidates and policies on the ballot. But both parties are pretty openly against the leftists.
Nah, they don’t. They sometimes pretend they do, but they don’t. They sit around, waiting for magical leftist candidates to appear from thin air, but they never vote for them locally, they never vote for them in primaries, so they never had a chance to not vote for them in generals.
Hell, Bernie Sanders lost popular vote in primaries twice, once to pokemon-go-to-the-polls corporate lady, and once for nothing-will-fundamentally-change old guy.
Leftist in america either don’t exist an mass, or don’t vote, or have no idea how political process in their country works, and I let you decide what is worse.
Yes they do. Leftists get votes all the time. Sanders, AOC, Sawant, Mamdani, etc all get tons of votes. Go look at the numbers.
Sanders lost the primaries because the DNC openly screwed him over, not because he didn’t get votes.
Sanders lost both presidential primaries he was in. AOC is a member of House of Representatives. Sawant is on a city council. Mamdani is the only example in recent history of a progressive candidate beating a conservative candidate in direct primaries. I struggle to think of someone else from your “etc” list who also did that. Maybe there is someone. In any scenario, the list is very short.
“The sun was in my eyes” is also a good excuse. In any regard, he didn’t get the votes. The DNC was also in his eyes, but he didn’t get the votes, that’s what is important here. If he did, if he would get more votes than other candidates, the situation might be different, and the excuse that DNC didn’t go with him even though he’s more popular might hold the water, but that’s not what happened. What happened is he got less votes than other candidates.
If you voted for Sanders at least as much as NY democrats voted for Mamdani (which is not that much actually, he barely got 10% more votes than the criminal he was against), the DNC would not be able to stop him, but you didn’t, so they didn’t even have to.
So your argument is “Nu uh. The people who continuously get more votes don’t really count” ?
lol, k
That’s… Did you actually read my comment? What people? More than whom?
My argument that in wast majority of cases where progressive runs against conservative, progressive wins. And your rebuttal is to list two people who practically weren’t in that situation, one who did and lost, one who did and win, and etc.
Do you think 4 people are a lot? Do you think a person from a city council is a good example of that wast amount of progressive voters showing an mass? Do you think a progressive candidate losing popular vote in primaries twice in a row is a good example of this abundance of progressive voters you’re trying to convey?
Conservatives won’t vote for a pale imitation.
They do, demonstrably. Conservatives from conservative party, conservatives from democratic party, all of them do.
Then show your work. How many conservatives preferred harris over trump? Which of harris’ actions brought them in?
Hint: Zero. It’s fucking zero. You’re advocating moving to the right because you want to move to the right and no other reason at all.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that there are conservative democrats who prefer more conservative democrats over progressive anyone, and there are conservative republicans who don’t want to vote for Trump but wouldn’t vote for any progressives either. The work that demonstrates that is every single democratic primaries, and all the conservative ones.
Also, I am explicitly not advocating for moving to the right, if you need me to spell it out. I don’t think it’s a good decision morally, and I don’t think it’s a good decision politically.
What I’m advocating for, is for progressives to participate in democracy, and not wait for democracy to happen to them. Conservatives vote more than progressives. Democratic party consistently interprets it as a call to move to the right, that’s how democracy works. That’s bad. The only way to fix that is to outvote conservatives.
And yet you/re saying it “demonstrably” works. I see no demonstration.
Keep getting shut out by an establishment that prefers donald trump to raising the minimum wage? Must be your fault no matter how hard you work because you’re not involved enough! We never have to change! Well, except to move to the right!
That’s how excuses work. They know moving to the right doesn’t net them any republican votes (“dEmOnStRaBlY” or otherwise), but since they want to move to the right no matter what, they use it as an excuse.
Republicans won’t vote for the lesser evil. They prefer the greater evil every time. But it’s a great excuse for centrist democrats who want to be evil to keep being more evil.
You didn’t make it to the deaths he was covering up in nursing homes yet?
Not just covering up but iirc he had a direct role in them via a policy that forced nursing homes to accept covid patients to free up hospital beds, leading to a high number of nursing home outbreaks.
Then this was followed by ignoring or avoiding questions about it during his daily covid press release updates.
Yeah, I thought there was more to it, but I couldn’t remember what and didn’t want to spend the time looking it up, lol.
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Yeah, a lot of people here seem to have proverbial goldfish memories. A candidate can do something really bad a couple years ago, run again, and people are like “oh they seem cool”. I don’t know what it is.
He can’t help it - he’s Italian!