Well meanwhileongrad was fun while it lasted I guess lol. Tell me you’re a much bigger PTB than even the accusations you got on YPTB, without telling me.
goat’s done a couple of weird things that I have observed. I think the most notable was that they made PugJesus a mod, PJ said he didn’t want to be a mod, they left him as a mod even with him repeatedly asking not to be, and then a little while later, they made a big public show of deciding he was a Zionist and announcing they were removing him as a mod. It always felt to me like there was more going on with that story.
“defending neo-Nazis” -> link -> okay goat was just saying exploding-heads.com were not themselves neo Nazis which as far as I was ever aware they were not
“misgendering” -> well this one is gonna be hard to find, let’s look in the old modlog
Really now? Your response is to turn the other cheek to civilians being gunned down on mass throughout your country? Oh, silly harmless Hamas raping women to death, stealing international civilians and slaughtering them inside of their own homes–we won’t do anything in response but give you a stern talking to
by goat
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what would they be able to do? i’m the idf. i can bomb hospitals. i have fucking nukes. let the world tweet away
if i was the IDF and I wanted to kill civilians without any witnesses, I’d use my largest and most destructive bomb to really make sure no one captures it on film.
but that’s if I was evil.
Well this has taken a little bit of a turn
Okay so yeah goat’s a tool to put it a little bit fucking mildly
All of the references are from 2 years ago and a lot of information has come out since then about Israel, their propaganda, what Hamas really did and what they didn’t do or what was overblown, Gaza and the Israeli genocide as a whole.
Furthermore, I also agree with you @PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social about someone or a group manipulating to stir the pot. It’s something the Tankie Triad has been known to do in the past and there’s no reason to believe they aren’t doing it now.
Yeah, maybe that’s fair. On the other hand it was pretty clear two years ago that Israel was a genocidal monster, it just has become a lot more unanimous and urgent viewpoint since they started a new phase of the active genocide. But yeah, posting the thing about evacuating babies from Gaza isn’t nearly as suspect two years ago as it would be now.
To me, the thing with PugJesus seems a lot more suspicious. That raised a ton of red flags for me, I don’t really see any reason you would do that whole sequence of actions if there wasn’t some kind of plot behind it. And then, looked at it that light, it starts to become a lot more weird for them to start this super public beef with dbzer0.
I won’t get into the bans here since that’s being worked out in private right now.
However, I will say that this part
Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints.
Is indeed true, I have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion. Provided they aren’t just trolling, which is quite common as you might imagine.
have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion.
Another random thought, but isn’t allowing tankies to speak exactly the issur goat has with dbzer0, calling it a tankie bar?
Is indeed true, I have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion.
Still seems hardly compatible with being banned just because of your instance, but you do you
The fact that Philip was able to find actual quotes by goat from that thread (such as https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?commentId=4848030 ) seems to indicate that even if it was supposed to be satire, there were still actual concerning elements in that thread
Yeah, the post itself kinda rang some bullshit-alarms to me for reasons I can’t completely articulate. That’s partly why I decided to do a spot check of what it was saying. And yeah, regardless of what was there, we learned that goat is shifty in some way with his mod actions and behaviors, and also sort of at least pro-Israel-adjacent it looks like, and also apparently has some kind of beef with /0 now I guess. I still don’t completely know what is going on with them but it seems like nothing good.
I’ve said before, I think that there are people deliberately trying to stir up inter-instance drama from time to time, spinning up genuine but pretty minor issues into reasons to create rifts between the “pro-AI” and “anti-AI” camps for example, or between the vegans and everyone else, or now (apparently it might seem) between the anti-tankies generally speaking and the dbzer0 people. That’s one explanation for why this is happening that makes somewhat more sense to me than anything else I can guess as to why goat might have started to do this. I see a whole bunch of anti-dbzer0 posts in the recent past on MOG as well. That whole “It’s all dbzer0’s fault that davel has done this” line of argument sort of reads textbook similar to ways in the past that I’ve observed people trying to get two third parties to conflict with one another.
That’s all just random guessing, I have no idea, just throwing out one theory for why goat might be being weird in this one particular way (especially if they have history of doing other odd things.)
Well meanwhileongrad was fun while it lasted I guess lol. Tell me you’re a much bigger PTB than even the accusations you got on YPTB, without telling me.
goat’s done a couple of weird things that I have observed. I think the most notable was that they made PugJesus a mod, PJ said he didn’t want to be a mod, they left him as a mod even with him repeatedly asking not to be, and then a little while later, they made a big public show of deciding he was a Zionist and announcing they were removing him as a mod. It always felt to me like there was more going on with that story.
Anyway yeah it sounds like he’s a tool.
Yeah, totally weird how that all went down.
https://lazysoci.al/post/33292601?scrollToComments=true
Spot check
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Oh no
Well
Well this has taken a little bit of a turn
Okay so yeah goat’s a tool to put it a little bit fucking mildly
@cm0002@piefed.world FYI
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I checked what @PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social found, I don’t think it’s as bad as it first appears.
All of the references are from 2 years ago and a lot of information has come out since then about Israel, their propaganda, what Hamas really did and what they didn’t do or what was overblown, Gaza and the Israeli genocide as a whole.
I will say, I have seen Goat condemn Israel and call their actions Genocide recently here https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20786914
Furthermore, I also agree with you @PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social about someone or a group manipulating to stir the pot. It’s something the Tankie Triad has been known to do in the past and there’s no reason to believe they aren’t doing it now.
Yeah, maybe that’s fair. On the other hand it was pretty clear two years ago that Israel was a genocidal monster, it just has become a lot more unanimous and urgent viewpoint since they started a new phase of the active genocide. But yeah, posting the thing about evacuating babies from Gaza isn’t nearly as suspect two years ago as it would be now.
To me, the thing with PugJesus seems a lot more suspicious. That raised a ton of red flags for me, I don’t really see any reason you would do that whole sequence of actions if there wasn’t some kind of plot behind it. And then, looked at it that light, it starts to become a lot more weird for them to start this super public beef with dbzer0.
What about goat banning every dbzer0 user, as seen in the OP? Seems contradictory with
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/21062682
And more along the lines of what you were denouncing
https://piefed.world/comment/1644630
I won’t get into the bans here since that’s being worked out in private right now.
However, I will say that this part
Is indeed true, I have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion. Provided they aren’t just trolling, which is quite common as you might imagine.
Another random thought, but isn’t allowing tankies to speak exactly the issur goat has with dbzer0, calling it a tankie bar?
Notice how he didn’t respond to this but everything else. Like he agrees that anyone to the left of Biden is a Tankie.
Still seems hardly compatible with being banned just because of your instance, but you do you
To be clear, this post is satire. Bad satire, but satire nontheless. https://feddit.uk/post/35692308
If it’s satire, the first link still seems serious: https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714/300239
The fact that Philip was able to find actual quotes by goat from that thread (such as https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?commentId=4848030 ) seems to indicate that even if it was supposed to be satire, there were still actual concerning elements in that thread
Yeah, the post itself kinda rang some bullshit-alarms to me for reasons I can’t completely articulate. That’s partly why I decided to do a spot check of what it was saying. And yeah, regardless of what was there, we learned that goat is shifty in some way with his mod actions and behaviors, and also sort of at least pro-Israel-adjacent it looks like, and also apparently has some kind of beef with /0 now I guess. I still don’t completely know what is going on with them but it seems like nothing good.
I’ve said before, I think that there are people deliberately trying to stir up inter-instance drama from time to time, spinning up genuine but pretty minor issues into reasons to create rifts between the “pro-AI” and “anti-AI” camps for example, or between the vegans and everyone else, or now (apparently it might seem) between the anti-tankies generally speaking and the dbzer0 people. That’s one explanation for why this is happening that makes somewhat more sense to me than anything else I can guess as to why goat might have started to do this. I see a whole bunch of anti-dbzer0 posts in the recent past on MOG as well. That whole “It’s all dbzer0’s fault that davel has done this” line of argument sort of reads textbook similar to ways in the past that I’ve observed people trying to get two third parties to conflict with one another.
That’s all just random guessing, I have no idea, just throwing out one theory for why goat might be being weird in this one particular way (especially if they have history of doing other odd things.)