Biden’s ineffective leadership and the centrist DNC gave America another Trump term. Trump should have been locked up immediately for their coup attempt.
For the record, I vote in every election including the primaries.
There’s nothing more reliable than a centrist attacking the base of the party for each and every single one of their losses. I’ve yet to hear Harris or HRC talk about their inept campaigns that keep trying to attract Republicans to vote for Democrats. It’s never going to happen. Maybe we can have a Cheney run the DNC.
Are you calling me a centrist based on a single, 6 word comment on an internet forum and implying that I’m the one that’s irrational? You don’t know anything about me.
Enjoy creeping my post history to get one over one me I guess.
Sorry, trans folks have to have a longer time horizon than you might. If Democrats are allowed to slide into a full anti-trans platform, as their sister party in the UK did, then trans rights will be set back generations. If Democrats are allowed to abandon trans rights, it will be 50 years before those rights are regained.
Look, I just don’t respect someone mansplaining to minority group members about how you know their best interests better than they do. It’s arrogance of the highest order. For trans folks, the danger represented by having both parties be anti-trans exceeds the danger of even another Trump term. At least Trump is an old fat fuck who’s going to die soon. The Democrats going the way of Labor in the UK will subject American trans people to state repression for decades to come, with no hope of voting in any party who will help us. Frankly, from my perspective, it’s better for the Democratic party to completely die off than it is to allow anti-trans bigots to win simply because they have a D next to their name. At least then space would be cleared for an actual worker’s party to rise up. But really, for trans people, an anti-trans Democratic party is a much much greater threat than another Trump term. Because ultimately, state repression is state repression whether it’s wearing a red tie or a blue tie.
I’m looking decades into the future; you’re myopically focused on tomorrow.
Don’t want trans people to stay home? Simple. Don’t nominate a bigot for the Democratic candidate. You have three years notice. If you simply can’t help yourself and nominate a bigot anyway, don’t blame minority groups for refusing to vote for their oppressors. You’ll have no one to blame but yourself.
And frankly, at this point, anyone still saying, “vote blue no matter who” is a brain-dead muppet. It’s obvious now that that rallying cry is a one-way street. Progressives are supposed to hold their nose and vote for bigots, but that expectation never extends the other way. It’s just a cudgel used to blame minority groups for refusing to vote for their own oppression.
This is ignoring reality and consequences of elections so hard that it reads like a right wing troll cosplaying a liberal. Congratulations, your argument is so shortsighted and devoid of insight that it is indistinguishable from satire.
They’re not cosplaying a liberal, it’s a pretty normal take among Leftists who criticize liberals. And more broadly, Democrats made “being the lesser evil” their main campaign strategy for so long that people are getting numb to it.
Look, I’m all for incremental progress, but you don’t start from a compromise position and then compromise further like the centrist Democrats have done whenever they’ve had power. You start with the hardline position (free, universal, single-payer healthcare funded by a progressive tax system) and then compromise from there only if necessary to get something done. Centrists stupidly think that they can get what they want without a fight by proposing something that’s already a compromise, but the hardline conservatives are just going to fight anyway and the centrists are forced to negotiate. The result is that the right always gets a favorable outcome and the left feels betrayed.
That is a saying by centrists for suckers. Nobody is asking for perfect. People want effective leadership.
Seems like the only solution centrists support is stupid sayings to make people accept ineptitude and corruption.
The DNCs ineffective leadership under Obama led to thousands of political positions lost throughout the country. They didn’t even bother locking up Bush and his cronies for their crimes.
Often the good is the enemy of the perfect. Obamacare was such a joke that it set the Democrats back a generation. They managed to get something passed, but their clinging to norms and refusal to nuke the filibuster meant that the bill was a pro-corporate mess so convoluted that people didn’t even realize they were benefitting from it. It legitimately helped people, but it also so sabotaged the Democratic brand that it set progress back decades in many fields. We got Obamacare, but we traded Roe v Wade for it. Without Obamacare, abortion would still be legal nationwide. People saw what Democrats would do even with a supermajority, and many voters just gave up on politics entirely due to Democratic corruption and timidity.
“Perfect is the enemy of the good”
Yeah no progress until we can instantly have 100% goal attainment!
Don’t forget to not vote next midterms or primaries to show Newsom and the Dems we mean business!
Sorry. I’m not voting for an anti trans bigot, even if they happen to have a D next to their name.
Who are you gonna vote for?
Fortunately, the odds of protest non-voters in California allowing a Republican to win is extremely low.
Thanks for Trump a second time.
Biden’s ineffective leadership and the centrist DNC gave America another Trump term. Trump should have been locked up immediately for their coup attempt.
For the record, I vote in every election including the primaries.
There’s nothing more reliable than a centrist attacking the base of the party for each and every single one of their losses. I’ve yet to hear Harris or HRC talk about their inept campaigns that keep trying to attract Republicans to vote for Democrats. It’s never going to happen. Maybe we can have a Cheney run the DNC.
Are you calling me a centrist based on a single, 6 word comment on an internet forum and implying that I’m the one that’s irrational? You don’t know anything about me.
Enjoy creeping my post history to get one over one me I guess.
Sorry, i misread the order of the comments on my device. My mistake.
Sorry, trans folks have to have a longer time horizon than you might. If Democrats are allowed to slide into a full anti-trans platform, as their sister party in the UK did, then trans rights will be set back generations. If Democrats are allowed to abandon trans rights, it will be 50 years before those rights are regained.
Look, I just don’t respect someone mansplaining to minority group members about how you know their best interests better than they do. It’s arrogance of the highest order. For trans folks, the danger represented by having both parties be anti-trans exceeds the danger of even another Trump term. At least Trump is an old fat fuck who’s going to die soon. The Democrats going the way of Labor in the UK will subject American trans people to state repression for decades to come, with no hope of voting in any party who will help us. Frankly, from my perspective, it’s better for the Democratic party to completely die off than it is to allow anti-trans bigots to win simply because they have a D next to their name. At least then space would be cleared for an actual worker’s party to rise up. But really, for trans people, an anti-trans Democratic party is a much much greater threat than another Trump term. Because ultimately, state repression is state repression whether it’s wearing a red tie or a blue tie.
I’m looking decades into the future; you’re myopically focused on tomorrow.
Don’t want trans people to stay home? Simple. Don’t nominate a bigot for the Democratic candidate. You have three years notice. If you simply can’t help yourself and nominate a bigot anyway, don’t blame minority groups for refusing to vote for their oppressors. You’ll have no one to blame but yourself.
And frankly, at this point, anyone still saying, “vote blue no matter who” is a brain-dead muppet. It’s obvious now that that rallying cry is a one-way street. Progressives are supposed to hold their nose and vote for bigots, but that expectation never extends the other way. It’s just a cudgel used to blame minority groups for refusing to vote for their own oppression.
This is ignoring reality and consequences of elections so hard that it reads like a right wing troll cosplaying a liberal. Congratulations, your argument is so shortsighted and devoid of insight that it is indistinguishable from satire.
Thank you for composing the reply I thought but couldn’t be arsed for after reading that drivel.
They’re not cosplaying a liberal, it’s a pretty normal take among Leftists who criticize liberals. And more broadly, Democrats made “being the lesser evil” their main campaign strategy for so long that people are getting numb to it.
You know who’s even more anti-trans than Gavin Newsom? The fascists currently controlling every branch of the federal government.
So are your saying that voting for Democrats or Republicans is the same thing?
Obviously not.
Republicans: Yes to genocide
Democrats: WE SEE YOU, WE HEAR YOU, but also yes to genocide
No. Notice they said “even more anti-trans,” not “just as anti-trans.”
I didn’t realize there was an acceptable level of bigotry
Doesn’t like “mansplaining”
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Look, I’m all for incremental progress, but you don’t start from a compromise position and then compromise further like the centrist Democrats have done whenever they’ve had power. You start with the hardline position (free, universal, single-payer healthcare funded by a progressive tax system) and then compromise from there only if necessary to get something done. Centrists stupidly think that they can get what they want without a fight by proposing something that’s already a compromise, but the hardline conservatives are just going to fight anyway and the centrists are forced to negotiate. The result is that the right always gets a favorable outcome and the left feels betrayed.
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That is a saying by centrists for suckers. Nobody is asking for perfect. People want effective leadership.
Seems like the only solution centrists support is stupid sayings to make people accept ineptitude and corruption.
The DNCs ineffective leadership under Obama led to thousands of political positions lost throughout the country. They didn’t even bother locking up Bush and his cronies for their crimes.
Often the good is the enemy of the perfect. Obamacare was such a joke that it set the Democrats back a generation. They managed to get something passed, but their clinging to norms and refusal to nuke the filibuster meant that the bill was a pro-corporate mess so convoluted that people didn’t even realize they were benefitting from it. It legitimately helped people, but it also so sabotaged the Democratic brand that it set progress back decades in many fields. We got Obamacare, but we traded Roe v Wade for it. Without Obamacare, abortion would still be legal nationwide. People saw what Democrats would do even with a supermajority, and many voters just gave up on politics entirely due to Democratic corruption and timidity.
We lost abortion because Democrats thought it was more important to keep it as a wedge issue to rustle up votes than to enshrine it in law.