Prostrating themselves to an anti-intellectual felon rapist.

All the money in the world, but they’re still just little bitches.

I mean, North Korea exists. But yeah, Americans are extremely propagandized.

People would literally rather support a party that doesn’t align with their views.

Wow. They must be dumbfucks.

Would’ve needed a better candidate and a party that actually listens to criticism

Liberals (and independents) complained that Biden was too old (despite Trump being equally old) and it became a serious issue and they replaced him with a younger candidate. That’s called listening to criticism.

You can’t pin this one on us

Not retroactively. But every single 3rd party voter filled out their ballots not knowing if they were going to make the difference or not. Because some elections have come a lot closer than this one and 3rd party voters did make the difference. It’s not particularly meaningful to me that you point out it wasn’t your fault after the fact, when you didn’t know whether it would be your fault or not at the time. That’s like a kid admitting he threw the kitchen knife at his sister but it didn’t hit her so everything is totally fine and the subject can be closed.

The fact remains that it’s patently stupid to vote for a 3rd party presidential candidate because we are NOWHERE NEAR a 3rd party winning a presidential election. I mean the 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percentage of the total votes. And that was magician Jill Stein, who disappears into thin air for years at a time and magically reappears a couple months out from every election.

But that doesn’t change my comment.

First of all, 3rd party voters could make the difference in any given election because multiple elections have been much closer than this one. They had no idea whether they were going to make the difference or not when they filled out their ballots.

Secondly, many, if not most, of those 3rd party voters REALLY didn’t want Trump, but they also wanted a 3rd party canidate more than Harris. Now they get Trump, their least favorite pick. And again, they filled out their ballots not knowing if they were going to be responsible for that happening or not.

Also, while it didn’t matter overall, at least Wisconsin would have swung Harris if she got the majority of 3rd party voters, not even all of them. So it did matter in some states, even though probably not in enough.

But the point is they COULD have made the difference and for all they knew at the time were making the difference because in other elections 3rd party votes have made the difference. If anything, it not mattering in this election is just going to embolden them to vote 3rd party again in another election where we find out afterward that it really would have made the difference.

And it’s not like there’s any reality at all where their 3rd party candidate could have won, so why take that massive gamble? The bottom line is that we are NOWHERE NEAR a 3rd party winning a presidential election, so it’s patently stupid to vote 3rd party in a presidential election. I mean the 3rd party candidate with the most votes only got half of a single percentage of the total votes. And that was magician Jill Stein, who disappears into thin air for years at a time and magically reappears a couple months out from every election.

I’m thrilled you got affordable healthcare, but it’s not good enough.

It never is for complainers.

I want parties who push for free healthcare.

Then you’re onboard with reality, right? The reality that big things don’t happen magically and instantly. They take many small steps. Much more affordable healthcare was a step in that direction. You will absolutely not get “free” healthcare instantly. It will happen through numerous baby-step bills passed over a significant amount of time.

Does me supporting Claudia de la Cruz mean Trump gets into office?

Yes.

Maybe in the short term, but I don’t care about “banning medical debt from showing up on credit reports”

Then you’re not very old. Because anyone who’s actually an adult knows that’s a huge fucking deal and not something we’ve seen ANY administration talk about in the past, much less do. One of those baby-steps I just mentioned.

I can always tell when I’m talking to someone young on these platforms because they always demand instant gratification because they haven’t learned that big things take baby-steps and a whole lot of patience. Too bad we just wiped out an untold number of baby-steps by giving total power to Republicans by doing stupid things like not voting or voting 3rd party in a presidential election.

I simply voted for the person opposed to genocide.

Single issue voters = duuuuuuuumb.

This isn’t actually a democracy, so it’s not like my vote mattered anyways.

People who say “voting doesn’t matter” = duuuuuuuuumb.

How does a third party “become viable”? Define “viability”. Any party is “viable” in this system with a few votes on ballot petitions, associated paperwork, and the population voting for them.

Hmmm. I wonder how a population comes to vote for a 3rd party in significant enough numbers to win a national election. Hmmmm. This is a tough one. How could that possibly happen?

I’m going to spitball here. Maybe a 3rd party would have to start by supporting city/county/state 3rd party candidates across the country so that over time that 3rd party eventually has an actual presence, let’s say, in the House of Representatives, which boosts name recognition even more, so that one day maybe there’s even some in the Senate and then, holy shit, all of a sudden there’s an actual chance at winning a presidential election.

It’s comical to state that all the population has to do is vote for them, without grasping that all these other steps don’t need to happen first. I’m going to run the Barbie Party candidate in 2028 and when they don’t win, I’m going to blame the populace for not voting for them.

you cannot solve anything of the problems of our system from outside it.

So, so many people simply can’t grasp this. They want to use some imaginary cheat code to get what they want, immediately. That’s not how this, or a lot of things in life, work. Change in politics comes from lots and lots of effort from within the system to change the system. That or violent revolution. But the catch with violent revolution is that in the chaos that ensues, worse forces can fill the vacuum. Not to mention all the dead people.

Third parties can’t win.

It’s like talking to flat earthers man. They honest to God believe a 3rd party candidate for president can win at this point in American history.

How do you introduce common sense to a brick wall?

Point A. Mathematically, the third party voters did not cost you the election.

But they could have in any given election. I wasn’t wearing a seat belt, but I didn’t crash, so it didn’t affect me…this time. Well guess what? This time we crashed. It just didn’t happen to be their fault…this time. This time the seat belt was voters who didn’t vote.

Point B. No candidate is owed your vote.

It isn’t about owing. It’s about acknowleding that only two parties have the possibility of winning and adulting up and voting for the one CLOSEST to your ideals. The one whose voting history makes the most sense for whatever social/economic class you fall under. Not holding out for an impossibility or going bust with the option FURTHEST from your ideals.

The only argument you can make for the preference of the first/second party candidates is not based on merit, but popularity alone.

I guess we’re living in a reality where voting history doesn’t matter.

Don’t tell them they’re taking the wrong action, tell them they’re taking the right action at the wrong time.

I do. All the time.

I cannot express to you how many times before the election I typed comments explaining that it makes sense for them to vote 3rd party in local/state elections, but not in presidential elections now or in the foreseeable future. It takes time and a lot of effort.

They don’t care. It’s like talking to a brick wall. They want what they want and they want it now and if they don’t get it then we get to have an anti-democratic felon rapist as president.

They’re effectively children and now that we have an anti-democratic felon rapist as our president I’m done being nice to them.

They’re children that can’t grasp that you can’t just cheat code your way to a 3rd party president. Work actually has to be done over a long period of time before that reality becomes possible.

But children don’t have patience.

The democrats had FIFTY YEARS to codify roe v Wade but cynically fundraised off it instead.

Ah yes. Another individual blaming the side that DIDN’T take rights away. Very good. Very good. I’m glad your focus is directed appropriately.

And before you bleat to me about hating women I fucking am a woman and the democrats fucked us over so they could fucking fundraise off it fuck them!!!

I’m going to drop a truth bomb on you. For the foreseeable future you’re getting Democrats or Republicans. And you’re over here complaining about the side NOT actively assaulting your rights. Bravo.

Neither the Republicans nor Democrats are suggesting meaningful enough policy change to make the US a better country.

As someone who Obama got affordable healthcare for when I was younger it’s almost impossible for me to fathom that you unironically said this literal days after Democrats banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports. The irony is so thick I can’t see you.

So, might as well give these candidates a shot.

Yeah, let’s totally vote for a 3rd party candidate for president when their parties haven’t even come close to doing what they need to do in order to win local/state elections to become a nationwide coalition capable of winning a presidential election. That sounds reasonable. And in the meantime, we’ll just allow anti-democratic felon rapists to call the shots from the Oval Office. You’re onto something here.

A couple more of these comments and I’ll join the Democrats again.

Honestly, I don’t think you’re intelligent enough to make that kind of move. Nothing you’ve said thus far indicates such.

The picture carries more weight than you let on.

I give way less fucks about a picture than I do about both party’s voting records and criminal conviction histories. Oh hey, look at those two dudes laughing. One gave me affordable healthcare when I was younger and the other one tried to illegally overturn the votes of 80 million people. THEY MUST BE THE SAME!!!

This actually disproves the myths about his character entirely

Because he’s being cordial with someone at a funeral? My man, how old are you?

But your perception of their difference is the outcome of brainwashing.

Says the guy that uses a single picture as evidence instead of voting history.

Our responsibility as a population in a so-called “representative democracy” is to select the best candidates.

That’s exactly what I did. I acknowledged that only 2 candidates had a chance of winning and picked the best one based on their character, their voting history, and their party’s voting history.

Only a fool would vote for a 3rd party candidate in a presidential election. They CANNOT win, because their parties haven’t done the necessary work to get their candidates elected at local/state levels across the nation to build a coalition capable of winning a presidential election.

This isn’t rocket science.

Quit roleplaying and focus on something real.

Lol. What the fuck?

American here. I have gay and trans friends. They’ve been publicly ridiculed. They’ve been beaten up. One had someone call him a f@ggot and throw a glass bottle at him from a moving vehicle, requiring stitches on his face.

And I’m in California.

And you’re ignorant enough to think this isn’t a real problem here? Part of why these things happen is because we have a major party actively trying to dehumanize LGBTQ people for votes.

Be less ignorant.

They’re exactly the same, except one side actively removed all women’s federally protected right over their own bodies.

You voted for somebody complicit in a genocide.

I voted for someone whose values, and whose party’s values, are closer to what I believe is best for average citizens in the United States of America, based on hard data over the course of decades. If the other option was better for Palestine then maybe your argument would make sense…but that isn’t the case, so it doesn’t.

Instead, 3rd party voters voted for candidates that had absolutely, positively, undeniably no chance of winning, and now they get a president that least represents their ideals.

Real intelligent.

Dems didn’t listen to voters and instead moved closer to corporations/conservatives.

And now those 3rd party voters who didn’t want that, are getting that, to the extreme.