Love what your saying enough I wanna try to rephrase it for extra zing.

“Billionaire toddler virtue signaling to wannabe Fascist leader angry to be facing repercussions”

Claiming that due to a future event

You misunderstand, I am saying that the original idea can be about inability to control. Then seeing anti isreal sentiment on tiktok, and you can say “see we were right, this is what we knew would happen”.

Or in other words, congress doesnt exist in a time void, they have the ability to predict future outcomes and legislate against them. You dont have to know isreal palastine is going to be the new thing, but you know that there will be a next thing and 100% it will play poorly if you cant control the narrative (i.e. lie to people)

Its more simplified to “lack of ability to control the narrative” and also “My billionaire masters cant turn a profit from it”

If you make the point simpler it works. “We are banning tiktok because it is a social media platform we have no ability to censor” with this in mind it makes sense to say “its because of isreal-palastine” because that is just a facet of not having control over platform censorship.

If you really believe that when they say they are getting rid of tiktok it is for national security you’re a fucking rube, they have been taking away our freedoms for decades under the guise of national security, they sure as fuck dont consider it any sort of threat that any of the American social media platform would sell your data do a hostile foreign power. They want it gone because A) they cannot control what spreads on it, and B) their rich owners arnt profiting from it.

If you want to argue that any social media platform dying is a good thing, then i can at least sympathize (thought id argue this isnt a step in the direction of getting rid of social media in general), but if you think banning tiktok is about anything more than corruption you’re a rube.

Imagine putting words in someone’s mouth because you can’t argue against what they said without doing so…

The entire game plan is to make them feel unwelcome, because then when they quit they can fill their positions with the loyalist whose entire value system is dictated to them by rightwing media.

If someone was bored enough they could go find the most popular posts from the election cycle and create a list of people pushing what agenda and then track how many of those accounts are suddenly inactive today.

And also robot chicken

And robot chicken again

The word woke has been misused for so many years now its effectively meaningless other than meaning “dumb leftist”

Fuck we are a stupid species…

Preach

I don’t see the problem of banners being tarnished nearly so much as the Right Wing…

I did not mean actually tarnished, I mean figuratively tarnished in the minds of a large group of people that are required to affect change.

At some point, people do need to understand that they control the means of production in a very literal sense.

Agreed, but I dont think you can begin to teach that lesson until the working class has solidified more, or you risk breaking momentum when one of them goes “Boy i swear i heard this from the radio man i let control my opinions as something i dont like”

I think you have a large deficit of trust

100% true. I’ve seen a majority of the country get swayed by the literal lowest common denominator of conman ive ever seen. I know the reason for this is because of the influence of the media and their own personal bubbles, but it does prove that they are incapable of forming their own opinions.

You, personally, can’t do anything about that

Yeah i know, so i just try to speak about the path forward that makes sense to me and hope it resonates with people.

I don’t understand how saying we should avoid labels and stick to ideologies is a bad thing. I just don’t see a route for people to organize working class folks under a banner when all the banners have already been tarnished for 60-70% of the people, it seems that route is a more uphill battle with no determinable advantage to just organizing under the idea that we the working class are being robbed endlessly by the elite ruling class and it has to change.

As to your point about theory only going so far, yes I 100% agree. But i was speaking about our current state, specifically because this is the first time in recent history that division among left/right working class folks has ever traveled closer to each other, if only a little bit.

Am i using the word ideology wrong maybe? Because it seems a few people are at issue with what im saying, while saying the same thing rephrased. There might be some sort of nuance to the word I’m missing. I mean ideology as purely just theory and reasoning on why a thing is or isn’t; in this circumstance as a stand-in for something loosely close to “We the people are no longer represented by government, and billionaires run the country”. Id worry if you expand it beyond that you lose a lot of support. But you obviously should go beyond that at some point, and you have to have a gameplan, but as mentioned before that feels like a conversation for down the road.

To be honest, I have never meant the word stupid to mean anything outside of “decided they already know everything and have thus stop allowing themselves capable of learning”, I dont believe anyone is actually stupid, they just stop learning and it appears the same way anyways.

I was trying to avoid the sloganeering you clearly hate by saying we should be avoiding labels and focusing on ideology, you know, the route of “real, lasting change”. But at least u got to feel smugly smarter than me for a brief moment after failing to understand what i said and arguing against something I didn’t say. Please stay out of this topic, you’re the exact kind of person that makes larger swathes of people not want to associate with them because they’d be associating with you too…

Yeah Ive used that same sentiment in this analogy a few other times before. The Dems became complacent using “at least were not them” as there entire fucking running strategy for too long. “Here are 1-2 token policy changes that are technically a step in the right direction, that will distract you from business as usual while never undoing any of the real problems with the country and making larger steps toward more problems”

Maybe, I guess either of the two ideas could be the correct one and we will never know.

Yeah alot of them love capitalism so hard, while simultaneously bemoaning every single part of capitalism, while being too stupid to be convinced the two are connected.

You can’t organize the working class with a “Marxist” reading list, maga was already told they don’t like that word. Speak the ideology of unionization while avoiding the things that can be associated with Marxism, communism, socialism, while remembering they don’t understand those things, they just have a trigger words they know to hate.

As an aside when speaking to maga, don’t let the conversation ever be Dem vs GOP, always frame is as workers vs elites. In the former we are divided, in the later we have solidarity.

Edit: My response to many responses, I just said dont say marxism or communism because a huge percent of the population are literal sheep who have already been told thats bad, just make a new label, or better yet, just avoid giving it a label, keep it down to “we need to stop the elites/ruling class”. Regardless, if you get a bunch of people to fall in line with this ideologically they can label it whatever they want at that point, sheep don’t change their minds, so when they villanize the new label, or assign it to a preexisting label, you would hopefully already have enough on board outside of modern left/right bubbles that it can spread through traditional grass roots methods.

Not good, still bad, just better than “holy shit why are we driving OFF of the cliff at full speed stop STOP! STOOOOOoooooop…”

He was Jewish right?