Meta-comment: I made an edit significantly after submitting my other reply. Didn’t want to bifurcate the discussion by putting its content in this comment, but don’t know if you’d already read the other one. So this is just to let you know about the update in case you’ve already marked it as read.

I’m not sure if an email gets sent if the user registers with one.

It does not.

The reason I’m here is because this is the fourth time I’ve been involved in chats with moderators about what to do with you. Help me out here, because many people don’t seem to like the way you’re behaving.

Pushing back on liberalism—and particularly its attack on the left—is, indeed, going to piss off a lot of liberals. Notice how in this conversation all I had to do was mention that I hope someone runs in the Green Party for ballot access, and that I will probably vote for them, in order for someone to go on the attack. Should I just start reporting that shit when it happens? Will you ban this moderator if I report them instead of clapping back? Is that how I get the authorities on this server to stop siding with the liberals for being liberal?

In terms of helping you, I’ll also refer back to your own statement:

Realistically, if someone is intolerant to you, we’re not going to tone police you for responding in kind.

This, right here, looks an awful lot like tone policing to me, when there’s a hell of a lot of actual content and argument I made above in response to a liberal being insulting when I said I will vote for someone other than a Democrat. Perhaps being an admin of a site like this isn’t a great fit for folks who want to grease squeaky wheels and discipline anyone who disagrees with a moderator or with some of the general user base of a community.

Or, if that’s too challenging a line to walk, IDK maybe Beehaw should just ban political discussion and go to straight cat pics and hobbies. That’s unfortunately what a lot of families and professional environments come to when they can’t handle matters getting heated over literal life-and-death issues.

EDIT: I forgot to address the “de-escalation” part. They escalated above. Then they actually escalated in the same comment where they decided to bail. That is the very comment where they claimed I am “trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms”. Then they didn’t even just check out, but threatened me as a moderator with “consequences”. You seriously call that “de-escalating”? Is “de-escalation” to you just a cheap way to get the last word and tell someone that they are superficial and order them to shut the fuck up? (Taking notes as a moderator of /c/socialism myself, by the way. “What’s good for the goose,” I guess…)

No? I continued an exchange where that mod had already replied to me. (Didn’t even realize they were a mod until they threatened me with “consequences” further on, by the way.)

Did you also miss the point that the mod was being just as insulting, from the start? I literally just pointed it out in the comment you replied to.

Did you miss where that moderator “assumed malicious negative intent” from me? Here, I’ll help:

You’re prioritizing economic systems over people.

Did you miss where I did, indeed, try to educate them? Let me help: every comment I’ve made. You might, in particular, like the part where I started with:

For the love of all that is humane, read Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin. YOU are buying into exactly that repeat of history…

You banned me for 7 days (I guess—see below) for exactly the same kind of shit, and you’re really bad at judging these situations. But it’s good I have Big Brother admin stalking my comments to see if I follow the dictates of civility. Very cool.

EDIT: BTW, the only indication of being banned is that you can’t login; it just silently fails, as if there’s some kind of problem submitting the page. And then going to your own profile and seeing “banned” across the top. And no indication of whether it’s temporary or permanent, and no message from the system about why. Just FYI for when you do it again.

Look, my take is that you are trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms

I mention direct action vs. you wanting to rely on electoralism and yet you claim I am the one “combating on philosophical terms”. Ironic.

more likely to ending up with Republicans having power.

This is why you have voted for fascists and will continue to do so. You believe they are constrained to a single party, and that the other liberals aren’t supporting them in nearly everything they do. Again, educate yourself. You referenced the 1930s, yet you clearly have not studied how fascism actually operated then. Or how it operates now.

We don’t seem to be seeing things eye-to-eye, and you don’t seem to be able to hold this conversation without ad hominem attacks, so I’m going to check out.

I see you don’t know what an ad hominem attack is. Everything I’ve said here is related to the content of your arguments. Criticism of your ignorance and ideology and how they manifest in your comments is not ad hominem. Pointing out how you support fascism by the agenda you are pushing and the very way you’ve implied you vote isn’t ad hominem. At least if you’re going to threaten people for calling you out, have some understanding of the accusations you are making of them first.

You’re right, that I haven’t been respectful in the sense of civility politics. But that started with you, shitting on anyone (including myself) who doesn’t vote for your favorite brand of the uni-party. My vote isn’t a “protest vote”, and yeah: fuck you for being disrespectful enough to call it that. Better start by banning yourself.

You’re prioritizing economic systems over people.

This is a pretty moronic statement. The choice of economic system is fundamental to if and how you prioritize people. The choice of capitalism is literally the choice to not prioritize people, but to prioritize property, and the interests of those who have power and will protect and hoard that property.

That’s my problem with voting for third parties in light of fascism echoing the 1920s and 30s.

You should honestly actually learn something about the rise of fascism in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. For the love of all that is humane, read Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guerin. YOU are buying into exactly that repeat of history you are using to fearmonger. Other, less reactionary liberals were absolutely instrumental to giving the fascist liberals power in both places, as they have proven over and over and over and over again that they will always do. There was—and is—absolutely no electoral or even legal solution to the problem of fascism. Literally the only thing that could have—and should have—stopped the fascists was organized labor and an organized left taking violent, direct action against them (Hitler and Goebbels both even admitted this explicitly).

While you are busy attacking the left—exactly as fascists do—and protecting those liberals who are literally upholding fascism (which is already here and has been for a long time), some of us are promoting the only thing that will save us from it: organizing, taking actual action, building liberation movements, and using liberal electoralism for the only good thing it can accomplish for the working class: getting people’s attention and broadcasting the messages that’ll get them to wake up, toss it in the bin, and move on to doing shit that’ll directly improve our lives.

Also, while you weren’t looking, you literally voted for a fascist in the last presidential election. Gotta love the promoting and subjugating oneself to Mussolini to save oneself from Hitler galaxy-brained liberal strategy of self-preservation.

The Green Party hasn’t even succeeded in having a candidate elected to the U.S. House of Representatives

And?

they show up for presidential elections, and that’s about it. They don’t do much work in the “off-season.”

Incorrect. The GP has run candidates in thousands of city, county, and state elections. Heck, in the last California state primaries they ran a “unity slate” with the Peace and Freedom party and had candidates for like 2/3 or 3/4 of the positions on my ballot.

A vote for the presidential candidate of the Green Party at this point is a protest vote.

Stupid, liberal phrasing. Don’t give a shit if this is what you call it, or how you’ve been told to think. The only wasted vote is one more voice for the continued monopoly of capital, and that’s obviously exactly what you do every single election.

I don’t give a fuck about “splitting the Dem vote”. One reactionary mainstream party down is one reactionary mainstream party down. But yeah: this dweeb ain’t it. If shitty, counter-factual beliefs about vaccines weren’t enough, the political dynasty of his family should at least push people over the edge here.

Glad Cornel West is running, and hope he winds up with the Green nomination so he has a chance at decent ballot access. Unless the GP has an even better, more radical leftist in mind like Howie Hawkins again. He was the nominee of at least two leftist parties last time around, and I’d love to see those parties doing more of the same, like the “left unity slate” a couple of them did in California last year. Good stuff.

Actually yes. If my neighbor openly, to my face, celebrated the state murdering hundreds of thousands of people in war, I would absolutely challenge them on it just like above. And I have, in fact. I see you’re more interested in civility politics than any kind of justice, so yeah: maybe it is time to fuck off and find some instance with people who have empathy and principles. Thanks for the “warning”.

I love escalating war and feeding more working-class people to the meat grinder for the sake of capitalists and nationalism.

Uh huh. Your country, too, fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian, I see.

So the lesser of two evils it is.

So…which of those evils does your government fund and arm, by chance?

so please, for fucks sake, don’t do the thing that helps the bigots but sticks to your principles, please. i am very frightened, and do not want to die or be left without healthcare. i’m not trying to shame you, i’m telling you that if enough people do the thing that you are planning to do this next election, the most likely outcome is very much not a socialist getting to be the president. please, i will beg on my knees, don’t do a very dumb thing that won’t get you what you want.

Nothing you do at the ballot box will prevent a fascist from being elected to office, either. You’re willing to beg for someone to put a check mark on the paper to help affirm their shitty status quo political system and their shitty fascist political brands. None of that is going to change your material conditions. Have some dignity, and if you really aspire to be an anarchist, study the actual systems you’re so worried about and figure this shit out. If you’re going to beg a leftist for something, make it something that’ll make a difference. I’ll put my life on the line to get you where you need to go to get the treatment you need, and to figure out how to do it outside of the system you’re begging to preserve that’ll happily put you in the ground. Biden ain’t fucking it.

Yes, you’re getting angry. You’ve been angry since the first comment I replied to. You’re just angry at all the wrong things and people. Cut that shit out.

I likely have as much to fear from the rising fascism as you do—I do from what you’ve indicated so far. Yet I am still an anarchist, whereas you are a liberal. You know what happens when you give up your principles, as you just admitted you have? You sell out everyone else and make sure they have even more to fear.

As for your great saviors the fucking donkey-brand fascists, they literally made an outright transphobe—who fought to put trans women in men’s prisons—their vice president. They aren’t putting their bodies or even their political careers on the line to prevent trans genocide. They aren’t doing fuck all about it, in fact, and have been egging it on for decades themselves except when they need to stand up on the stage and claim there’s a difference between them and the elephant brand. And you’ve fallen for exactly this nonsense to convince you to pick one set of transphobic fascists over the other. It’s working. And you’re the sucker. “Anarchist.” LMFAO.

Either way I’ll be fighting in the streets as well as standing up for my principles on all fronts, not just the ones where it’s convenient. Vote for your favorite brand of fascists if you like, but don’t try to shame those of us who are actually fighting instead of being reactionaries and blaming leftists and other working-class voters for their predicament as you are.

You are helping to ensure a socialist won’t get into office. A self-fulfilling prophecy. Liberal in action; anarchist in word. You came out of the gate trying to shame people who actually vote for their principles. That’s not solidarity with anyone fighting for liberation, sorry.

Fwiw I generally don’t think Biden is a Fascist per se. I think he is a corporatist and a neolib

Those are not mutually exclusive. Biden very much subscribes to fascist politics, and has for his entire political career.

I can see you’ve never been on the receiving end of the prison-industrial or military-industrial complexes. You should really talk more to people who have been.

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Fair enough. It sounded like you were attempting to characterize my comment, and that the “/s” was meant to show that you, yourself, didn’t agree with that characterization. Thanks for clarifying.

I’m voting socialist (probably Green, but good chance something like PSL or Socialist Alternative).

What comes next if someone from one of the uni-party brands is elected is on you, liberal.

No, but the uni-party that’s in power in the U.S. is quite fascist. That has nothing to do with leftism, and I never implied it does. Apparently you missed in my original comment where I made it clear that Biden isn’t the only fascist being promoted (“either”).