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  • Yes, Frieren’s actions towards demons brings us to an excellent philosophical question. Is it morally right to exterminate an entire species? Of course not. Does that morality shift when that same species is also seeking to exterminate you? I’d argue not, but it becomes a necessary task to protect yourself and those on your side of the war.

    This debate seems to be explored with the demon Match. I haven’t read the manga, so I don’t know anything beside your description of the character (and I ask you to avoid further spoilers).

    Yes, if Frieren murders this innocent demon, that would be a tragedy. However, that’s a tragedy of war. A solider mistook an innocent man as a enemy solider. In this magic world, Frieren can detect the demon, it’d be like the innocent man was wearing a solder’s vest to keep warm. To an outsider who has been conditioned by war to see the enemy flag and shoot without asking question, that’s what they are going to do.

    I think that we are able to have such a debate, simply based around an elf and her detached murder of demons is part of what makes Frieren an intriguing piece of storytelling. Frieren is a clearly flawed main character and the story is exploring many of them, not always telling us right from wrong, we are left to decide that for selves.

    I don’t know how Macth’s character will be explored in relation to Frieren. I predict there are two paths, the first is the easy one, she learns to trust and bonds with the demon. Trust has been a major theme through the show, to explore is with Frieren’s natural enemy would be very interesting.

    The other route I could see explored, Frieren learns of his abstinent through the villagers who know his history, what he is and the of the bonds they have formed over many decades…well had. To the villagers’ horror, Frieren has killed the one they have learned to call family, and she is forced to face the consequences of taking a life that others valued.

    Or perhaps there is a third path, something that goes against my guesses and will surprise me.


  • If Frieren doesn’t kill the demons, the demons will kill them. The difference between child Hitler and a demon, is that Frieren knows what the demon will do in the future, just like we know what happens when you release a hungry lion in a room full of antalope.

    Frieren might be shooting first in the battle, but the demons shot first in the war.

    The demons use human sympathy to gain trust and it works. You feel for them, you want to protect them, may even be attracted to them, and give them a chance and that’s their whole stick. They’re just hungry lions that transformed to look like their prey.

    Hitler, and the Nazis, had believed that certain groups of people were inferior and a that only a superior race should exist. So what did the rest of the world do? Those that could fight, fought back to survive and protect those that couldn’t.

    If we’re going to compare roles; Demon king is Hitler, demons are the Nazi forces, Frieren and her party are the allied forces. In the show Frieren is defeating the remnants of an active terrorist cell following in the footsteps of the demon king/Hitler.

    If you try to put Frieren in the Hitler role, it doesnt make sense. She doesn’t go from town to town murdering anything that’s not an elf. She’s not gaining followers to take over the kingdoms.

    You could call Frieren racist towards demons; but if a group murdered your entire village, and you watch them do it to countless others over a thousand years, never meeting a “nice” demon, you’d provably learn to shoot first too.


  • Frieren’s emotions on the matter are addressed in episode 7.

    Episode 7 and 8

    The demons acted as peace envoys.

    Its turns out that was a lie to get the humans to turn off the magic force field so they could attack with their demon armies.

    Frieren’s indifference to killing demons is shown to be a necessity for survival.

    It can be a bit hard to wrap our heads around. Humans don’t really face natural predators anymore, so it can be tough for many of us to imagine the kill or get eaten life style.

    Imagine if man-eating spiders started to talk to us, transformed to look like us and became our friends only so we’d let our guard down and open the door to the their spider army. Humans squash bugs indifferently all the time. To Frieren, demons are man-eating bugs that need squashing.

    As for free will, the demons we see do seem have free will, which they use to kill humans, again its a kill or be killed world. It’s about survival, not a senseless eradication of a group of people.

    Qual from ep2 seemed like a nice guy, until you remember he invited the killing spell is being executed for the mass-muder of humans, 80 years in the past.











  • Don’t people buy stuff on OF, more than just a sub? Is it easily available for download in a common file format or is access stuck on the website even though you bought it?

    I agree that straight piracy of content is bad. Piracy is primarily a service problem, TV and movie piracy was down in the mid 2010s until all the streaming services divided. Music piracy is basically gone thanks to early iTunes and even more so with today’s streaming services. OF piracy will always be a thing because people want their free porn and the parasocial relationship they don’t get on the regular free sites.

    If corporations refuse to just sell us the file and can randomly revoke access or change the content (like Amazon’s been doing with book), then the community will find ways to strip out the DRM and other protections just to preserve the content they bought.

    I don’t have a problem with github removing of projects that aim to circumvent purchasing content, but projects that simply “unlock” purchased content should be allowed to thrive.

    Edit: I should add, if corporations can’t be bothered to respect what the word buy means, why I should I bother to provide them money? morality is a two way street, if one side is dishonest and shady, do they really have a right to whine when others steal from them?

    Edit 2: in case it wasn’t clear the “dishonest and shady” one is the corporations. Its to the point were I pretty much only pay creators directly (patreon, etc) where I know good chunk of my money goes to the artist not the publisher/middle man. If I’m buying a movie or something its either a DVD or getting screen caped on the first watch for archival purposes.