I supported a pre-emptive Threads defederation, because I expect them to Embrace-Extend-Extinguish the fediverse for the sake of profit.

For the BBC, I don’t feel as overtly opposed. They don’t really have the user base to overextend us with, even if they tried to get their audience on mastodon lol. They haven’t seemed blatantly profit driven in the past. And they’re starting their own instance, using fediverse tech.

Does anyone think this is the BBC’s Embrace step? It’s not sparking any alarm bells for me, but can I get a sanity check?

Here’s their accounts, for the curious:

@BBCRD

@BBC5Live

@BBCRadio4

@BBCTaster

@Connected_Studio

@BBC_News_Labs

Oooh, I’m excited to try this out! But later, 'cause I’m just on mobile, and kbin doesn’t have a save function yet lol.

Wow, I’m pretty impressed with BC for this.

Having font support really legitimizes a language. It’s basically impossible to make digital content if you can’t type in your language, so this is really unlocking a lot for the readers and writers of all those languages!

Just tagging things as Porn or Gore is a great idea! Let’s mark stuff as what it is, not where it’s… supposedly unsafe? lmao. Yes, you shouldn’t be looking at porn while working, but there are plenty of non-work places where it’s still not really appropriate.

I think there could be an argument for Gore being called like “Trauma” or something instead. Porn is broad, and I’d like another tag for “Viewer Beware” even if there isn’t specifically Gore in it. A Gore tag feels more like a Sex tag, yes porn is sex but there’s plenty of porn that isn’t specifically sex.

Okay, yeah. I do slightly prefer ‘website’ but I’m having trouble disagreeing with you here lmao. I’m willing to leave ‘link’ alone, if we make the other ones less ambiguous!

Magazine ->Community

Strong agreement.

Link -> Article

Maybe Link -> Website even, 'cause it’s not always an actual news article.

Thread -> Post

Agree, mainly because I think most of us would say “I’m going to post this on kbin” but I haven’t found a verb I like for …starting? a new ‘thread’ lol. “I’m going to thread this on kbin”??

And also for branding issues lol, vs that big company.

Post (In microblog) -> Blog

Room for improvement here, but good start I think.

Commented -> Discussed

I think Comments is fine. Discussion is fine. I actually think this is where “threads” could have been used lol, but let’s not.

Badges -> Labels
Labels is good. Badges isn’t quite right. Stamp? Banner? Flag?

I agree with the intent but not the method here. I think the fediverse usually waits for activity before proceeding with its usual systems and that should probably apply here.

I say, if a magazine has zero activity after the first month, it should have a public flag on it “Inactive” when someone visits. If someone wants to take over, they’ll automatically get control. But I think it’s okay to leave the space for people to post there, without necessarily assuming they want control over it too.

I think inactive moderators should be handled slightly differently. One month seems too short to demote them. I say if a magazine has had no moderator log in for 3 months, the magazine is marked “No Leadership” and anyone who asks gets promoted, but let’s leave the demoting or deletions to real humans to review and commit to.

The fediverse should be more resistant to this (I hope). The people in charge of instances are pretty comparable to super moderators since they both can control a lot of internet real estate. The fediverse’s response to bad instance owners is to just switch to an instance that’s run in a way that you like better. Or even better, make a new instance that’s less bad!

If there’s an instance with a problem super moderator, then the same solution should work right? Go elsewhere, or make a new magazine. If there’s a single problem user dominating all communities in multiple instances, well. Time to start “@free.folk” or whatever lmao.

If I think my comment is more relevant than all the others I see, I even boost myself lmao. No shame hahah.

When I’m contributing to the conversation, I upvote myself. When I’m no longer contributing to the original discussion (like I’m talking with someone and we get somewhat off topic), I don’t upvote myself anymore.

It’s more about what order a new person should see stuff!

I’m not endorsing their behaviour, but I can imagine myself doing something similar to Pips. I’m just hoping to show an alternative perspective here, maybe it’ll make the spam more tolerable for you lol.

I follow basically all the warhammer hobby magazines/communities I come across. They’re all still growing, some a little quicker, but honestly there isn’t a single clear winner. Since they basically all would benefit from more content and activity, shouldn’t I post to several admittedly very overlapping groups?

There’s only so much content I can contribute as a single user. I either make an OC post when I’ve painted something up, or I’ll link like the one or two noteworthy news articles for this week lmao. I can’t create bespoke content for each instance.

I do want them all of them to succeed, or any one of them to succeed. They’re all starving for content most days. But right now, the fediverse just doesn’t have the critical mass yet. So how should we grow it?

Eventually, a clear winner will emerge, and I’ll probably prune my subscriptions list. But we’re in the spring of the fediverse, it’s just too early to tell which sprouts will flower best.

I feel like it would be nice to pull at least some content when the first person opens the box lol. Maybe the last 10-100 posts, or from the past 30-90 days, or whatever.

Maybe do this kind of smaller sync every time another user subscribes to it until it’s fully synced up, 'cause that means we all really want the content lol.

Kbin could do that independently right? Or would ActivityPub need to change to allow that?

@effingjoe Ooh, yeah the autofill is a really good idea! 'Cause sometimes a post is relevant to the magazine, but doesn’t want all the tags from that magazine.

Okay lol so who do we talk to now to make this happen?

I think we could have multireddits by using tags, no? We’d just need a magazines tags to automatically be applied to any content in it, and then I could just have my #tech feed, my #ask feed, and my #cycling+#bikes+#bicycles feed lol.

I think it would be good to look at cross-posting across multiple magazines/communities too while we’re here. It’s an adjacent problem here, and I feel like we can find a nice solution for both here.

As things are now, if we just amalgamate 6 different /tech communities, there’s going to be a lot of duplicate threads lol. If I want to post a news article to several places, it’d be nice to be able to just list them off and click post just once. Then in the multi-feeds, it’ll only be listed once please!

Hmm interesting. I do think it’s just as important that we double-defederate unfortunately. Meta/Threads has to be treated as if it’s contagious.

If we stay federated with an instance that has accepted the Embrace, what do we do when the Extend happens? Is that when we defederate? Will we even recognize it?

EEE only works because it’s difficult to see it happening to you. Instances that ally with Meta/Threads will actually present the same threat of EEE, or even a greater threat, because the Extend step may appear to come from non-Meta instances.

Imagine ActivityPub upgrades developed by a Meta/Threads-ally, let’s say improved inter-instance moderator tools. That sounds good right?

It’s basically all the exact same arguments again, but with a middle man.

• Meta/Threads have different foundational priorities (namely, profit) and real incentives to monopolize.
• Meta-ally instances have real and implied incentives to accommodate
  Meta/Threads.
• And we have incentives to accommodate the instances that we federate with, so of course kbin would use the well-developed new mod tools right?
• Seems crazy not to, even if it was developed by a Meta-ally. Right?
• Great! Repeat for thousands of tiny changes, that’s called Extend.

That’s how accepting EEE works, each little step looks great but big picture we’re unknowingly in trouble. We’ll have to treat any Meta/Threads-ally as if it is Meta/Threads. (Hell, some of them probably will be lol, the fediverse is just asking for astroturfing lol.)

We can trust instances that don’t have economic incentives. But any instance that shows they can be swayed by money, or that shows they’ll accommodate instances driven by profit, well they’re showing that they’d consider eating us to become the next reddit.

I haven’t finished it so I can’t be certain lol, but you may enjoy this podcast! 13 episodes, I’m 4 episodes deep!

Who shat on the floor at my wedding?

@cycling (kbin.social)

@bicycles (lemmy.ca)

@notjustbikes (lemmy.ml)

@blender (kbin.social)

@3dmodelling (kbin.social)

@blender (lemmy.world)

Just cause I’m going through the magazines anyways!

@cubers

@RaspberryPi
@raspberry_pi

Oh god there’s so many for cooking lol. Most popular seem to be:
@food
@cooking
@food

Wait so when am I supposed to boost? Upvotes sort now, so I should usually upvote and boost when I think something should be at the top?