Kinda, yeah, though tiktok working as a short visual exchange with comments isn’t exactly the same

No, no, thoughts like that are the entire point of the internet, and language itself

I dunno, but some other brother might deny

Let’s hope it stays that way :)

We don’t get to actually interact much with chinese people in China, here in the states. The more all us regular people can get to know each other, the more chance we have of maybe breaking down the artificial barriers that keep us locked into our own worlds

Man, that’s beautiful :)

When I saw the headline, this was my first thought.

But damn, it could have been something cool if reality wasn’t so fucking predictable and ugly.

I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.

Well, that world, because it sure as hell isn’t the one we’re in

Word, plantbased is such a nice community. It isn’t as busy, but the folks there are awesome.

Man, I troll that kind of vegan, and those mods are the kind that swallow the bait with eagerness.

There’s actually a really great plantbased C/ now that isn’t run by the zealots, so there’s friendly convos going on. It’s so nice to see.

That being said, within their idea of what that community is supposed to be, they do treat everyone equally badly when they voice even the tiniest hint of anything other than fervor. So, it’s relatively fair, in that they don’t play favorites, and apply mod actions consistently. They may use shitty rules that aren’t clearly spelled out, but they apply them in a predictable way.

It’s why, even though I would cackle at them if they rose to bait, I don’t ever feel comfortable calling it power tripping. It’s crap, it makes the community suck, and it makes it difficult on any vegan that isn’t a zealot. But that’s a different issue to me.

Now, there’s mods of other vegan communities that are power tripping as hell. Well, one, but I ain’t going into drama that old beyond using it as how I draw that line. A different mod in a different vegan community decided to issue bans to all his communities because of someone (me) not agreeing with him in the way he wanted to see it. That’s power tripping.

Someone being a crap mod and running a community poorly isn’t the same thing, if you get where I’m coming from.

Crap mods can end up being fair, simply by virtue of being crappy to everyone lol.

At least that one is believable, if poorly executed as fiction.

But, being real, part of the fun of that sub was playing along. If you paid attention to the average level of bullshit, it was hard to have any entertainment out of it all. So you go in knowing that the story is bullshit, but you pretend it’s real, or real enough for the purpose of discussing the idea behind a bad story.

The school thing, it’s so poorly done it’s impossible to suspend belief and go along. But the “name it after your brother” one, people actually do that kind of thing, so even though it’s poorly done (or so over dramatized that if it happened, it didn’t happen like that), you can still imagine the scenario and explore the boundaries it suggests

Well, that’s how I used the sub for sure, and I know people that have said the same, so not everyone is buying the stories whole cloth

Utter horseshit

The fact that they’re using the term drop charges, when the kid hasn’t been arrested shows they’re making it up.

A principal is going to have enough education they wouldn’t have used that term in relation to an in school disciplinary issue because it would leave them open to trouble.

Reports don’t just go to mods, they go to admins as well. And you can usually contact admins in other ways on most instances.

Eh, I just had a run-in with them again.

Trying to get every instance to ban them is a little crazy tbh, and I think you’re right that their entire goal is a blend of trolling and misinformation.

It isn’t crazy because they’re acting in bad faith. It’s crazy because just lemmy is already too big to try and organize a lemmy wide ban. Trying to get a fediverse wide one applied ain’t happening.

Best you can do is report them for the spamming in the instances they do it on.

I dunno. I’m fairly far left, and moderately radicalized, and I get plenty of pushback. And from both those further left, and those that are US left (which is more centric overall).

Yeah, you don’t get as many right wingers, but they do exist, and they tend to be willing to speak up. On the less crazy instances, they don’t even get shut down by admins/mods, though they’ll get down voted all to hell.

But I can’t say that lemmy as a whole is that echoey. It just leans more left than any other form of social media.

Eh, you’d be amazed how many people use reports to say “I don’t like this, and it’s your problem” instead of it actually being a community rule violation. I don’t moderate any busy lemmy C/s, but I did some high traffic reddit subs, and I’d even say that half of reports were just trying to get a mod to shut down the other person in a slap fight. Then they’re amazed when you shut both parties down lol.

I definitely think that anything more than a one day ban for single reports is way over the line. And I’d prefer warnings with an explanation be the default.

Yup. 100% a perfect tool for the situation.

And I say that as someone that has likely deserved a few of them here and there.

It won’t stop report abuse, but it will reduce the in-thread drama.

Hell, it might reduce drama in general since the serious drama queens are going to get butthurt and not come back.

What? Actual vegans definitely talk like that. Not just online, in real life. I have personally heard vegans say the same thing. It isn’t even just a small handful. I know a decent number of vegans out here. Some of them are friends and relatives, so I spend time with them in restaurants, bars, and other shared spaces as well as private spaces.

The ones that are part of my life by choice are the sorts that don’t treat being vegan like a crusade, they make their life choice, and live it with strength and their own actions without making it about imposing their beliefs on others.

And I have personally been present when some of them were verbally attacked for that. By vegans. The exact phrase “you aren’t a real vegan” has been used in my presence by vegans to vegans. Also, “you’re just a vegetarian, you don’t really care about animals” because the target simply wasn’t willing to fuss and fight non vegans over a difference in belief.

Hell, you just drew a gatekeeping line by saying “actual vegans don’t talk like that”. So, if you’re a vegan, you just talked like that, even though it wasn’t the same gatekeeping.

Yeah, YDI for sure. The comment that got the action taken was douchey as hell.

Only one way to find out

And it’s a great community too. I don’t participate because it isn’t for me, but so far it has been a breath of fresh air how chill it is

Dang, an actual PTB!

Defining removing the comments was already borderline PTB, though one can argue that since vegans tend to insist on dealt strict policies in vegan C/s, that it is within bounds to remove comments and posts as needed to maintain their space.

But holy shit, the “you aren’t a real vegan” went right off the rails. And then bans for it. That’s not even crossing the line in this specific case, it’s kicking the line and spitting on its grave.

Mind you, sometimes it’s necessary to ban people that aren’t an actual part of the specific group a forum/community is for. It is case specific whether or not someone is power tripping.

But this case is soooo far into power tripping it’s almost a parody