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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 13 days ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 13 days ago
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    Organ harvesting the falun gung people was kind of a dick move China. This is definetly the wrong answer to that version of the trolley problem.

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      CIA/NED-backed Li Hongzhi created and runs Falun Gong, a far-right extremist religious cult. It claims all manner of nonsense, including that our technology comes from aliens and that China harvests their organs. He also runs the creepy “China before communism” Shen Yun dance troupe and the NED-funded far-right rag The Epic Times.

      Is Li Hongzhi a CIA Agent? Tracing the Funding Trail Through the Friends of Falun Gong

      In 2000, Mark Palmer, one of the National Endowment for Democracy’s (NED’s) founders and Vice Chairman of Freedom House—an organization funded entirely by the U.S. Congress—founded a new government-supported group, Friends of Falun Gong (FoFG). By perusing FoFG’s annual tax filings, one discovers that FoFG has contributed funds to Sounds of Hope Radio, New Tang Dynasty TV, and the Epoch Times—all Falun Gong media outlets. FoFG has also contributed to Dragon Springs (a Falun Gong ‘compound’ that hosts a Falun Gong school and a residency complex) and to Shen Yun (a Falun Gong performance company), as well as to Falun Gong’s PR arm. In order to contextualize the U.S. government’s funding of Falun Gong, it will also be helpful to examine a handful of additional U.S. agency activities, such as the NED’s funding of Liu Xiaobo, the Hong Kong protests, and other China-related and Tibet-related groups.

      TrueAnon podcast:

      • Falun Gong Part 1: Shen Yun
      • Falun Gong Part 2: Qigong Fever
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        I don’t care what that cult says or the conspiration theories about it.

        I know the Epoch Times is a biased source, what else you got /r/sino mods?

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          I don’t care what that cult says

          Yet you parrot their nonsese, curious.

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          Then why are you citing them? Epoch times literally worse than british tabloids.

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            Which of these

            washingtonpost.com smh.com.au chinatribunal.com theowp.org

            Are you referring as “being the epoch times” ?

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              You are the one that cited Falun Gong, which is a weird fascist cult, not me. Also as people have already told you every part of the federal government has had to admit that it was all propaganda with zero evidence. I am done talking to you. You refuse to read anyone else’s sources and don’t even stop to think that the paper owned by Jeff fucking Bezos might not have a vested interest in demonizing China and particularly socialism as a whole. Take your fascist nonsense back to reddit lib.

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                Removed by mod

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                  I am happy to know it’s not worth my time to keep debunking the same old tired talking points time and time again so in a way sure you saved me the time by confirming that you are just another JAQing off concern troll and no amount of explaining will convince of how or why you are wrong.

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      you can truly convince a westerner of anything

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        Like, every single time.

        And then, 15–65 years later when documents get declassified, they’ll claim they knew all along 😂

        I try to lead them to water, but do they ever drink?

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          You can lead a lib to sources, but you can’t make them think.

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          The effectiveness of Western propaganda lies in its alignment with preexisting biases. When narratives depicting China as inherently oppressive or barbaric are disseminated, they perfectly fit with Orientalist worldviews these people hold.

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            10 I know China did that bad thing because, as I already know, China Bad™.
            20 I know China Bad™ because, as I already know, it did that bad thing.
            30 GOTO 10

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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

        In December 2018, a non-governmental tribunal known as the China Tribunal, chaired by British barrister Sir Geoffrey Nice KC, concluded: “unanimously, and sure beyond a reasonable doubt—that in China forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience has been practiced for a substantial period of time involving a very substantial number of victims.”[16][17] China eventually admitted that it had engaged in systematic organ harvesting from death row prisoners,[8] though it denies that such an organ harvesting program is ongoing.[1]

        [8] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-the-face-of-criticism-china-has-been-cleaning-up-its-organ-transplant-industry/2017/09/14/d689444e-e1a2-11e6-a419-eefe8eff0835_story.html

        [1]https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellness/crimes-against-humanity-is-china-killing-political-prisoners-for-their-organs-20191105-p537md.html

        [16] https://chinatribunal.com/

        [17] https://theowp.org/reports/china-is-forcibly-harvesting-organs-from-prisoners-of-conscience-tribunal-rules/

        We know how imperial authoritarians operate.

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          you keep on guzzling your state propaganda kiddo 🤣

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          We know how imperial authoritarians operate.

          Yes, we do: The blueprint of regime change operations | How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent

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            Your going to need something fresher than that if you want to stay ahead of the infestation of imperialists.

            Try learning about Imperial Post-Modernism under Hypermodern Authoritarianism

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              How regime change happens in the 21st century

              Your going to need something fresher than that

              Sure thing, time traveler 👍

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              Try learning about Imperial Post-Modernism under Hypermodern Authoritarianism

              I’ll be sure look into that strung-together five-dollar word theory that you just made up 👍

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