I am so completely sympathetic to her cause, but handling & transporting sick chickens is so fucking dangerous. I don’t give a damn about the theft, but she risked her own life, the lives of others, and any other animals they came into contact with.
I also want to see the abolition of slaughterhouses and factory farms, but I think the best way to do that right now is to fight for subsidies for vat grown meat alternatives. And fight states like Florida trying to outlaw vat grown meat.
Subsidies for meat alternatives are a very liberal non-solution. The tech is not there for meat outside of ground beef and the state shouldn’t be subsidizing to create a different problem, the issue with the USA’s ridiculous meat overproduction and consumption isn’t that there’s a slaughter in the process, it’s that the amount of manpower/water/energy required is ridiculous. The subsidies should be substantially reduced for meat and dairy, and price controls (or outright government handouts) should be in place for staple foodstuffs.
If grains and legumes become cheaper, people will find a way to make them tastier and eat them way more often.
If you can only consider solutions that require everyone to give up eating meat, you will never get enough people on board.
They said nothing about everyone giving up on meat.
We don’t have infinite resources on our finite planet. People need to eat less meat. They stated some ways to encourage that transition.
Eating meat doesn’t sustain some kind of curse. It’s an environmental problem because of current factory farming methods. They’ve invented a better method, and you’re sticking to your guns as if it’s the act of eating causing the pollution, and not the production methods. Moronic.
It is an environmental problem because the resources required to obtain the same caloric/nutritional content from meat is far higher than the alternatives. If the “better method” is better than our current method of meat production but still too intensive to maintain at scale then it doesn’t solve the problem without reducing the scale of meat consumption.
That doesn’t mean nobody can eat meat, it just means that on average people need to eat LESS meat.
Why are you so against people eating less meat? Your arguments here are akin to the “nuclear energy” bros who rag on renewables all day. Just like we can use renewables and rely on nuclear to fill any gaps, we can lessen meat consumption and rely on less intensive forms of meat production to fill the gaps.
That’s simply not true. The energy cost for beef is astronomical.
How do you plan to enforce less meat consumption?
Rationing. No store is allowed to sell more than X amount of meat to any individual.
It’d create black markets and such, but the overall consumption would still go down.
What did I say that isn’t true? I never said the energy cost of beef wasn’t huge. Quite the opposite in fact…
I have a solution: don’t give up meat and you collapse the fucking ecosystem and then you’ll give up meat because you’ll be starving to death
The fact that a better alternative is becoming available, and y’all are still insisting the only possible option is giving up meat entirely, really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices on everyone else.
What a profoundly fucking stupid thing to say.
Because there are alternatives
It proves your argument about the environment is a deceptive lie you’re using cynically
Selfish spoiled little baby ‘I want to do whatever I want no matter what it costs the world outside of me’ because I’m the only thing in the universe that matters me me me me
I’m a vegetarian, dumbass. But I understand it will be quicker to build vat grown meat facilities than convert everyone to vegetarianism. We do not have more than a generation or two before the planet becomes unlivable.
Grow up.
We don’t have a generation or two left.
People can choose to give up meat now or they’ll give up meat later when no one can afford it anymore. I won’t need to force them to become vegetarian, the economic conditions will do it for me. I’ll just be ready before everyone else.
It’s not available. It’s an expensive, comparatively hands-on process that can only produce good ground beef and shitty everything else.
You know something that tastes like meat, has the texture of meat, and has the nutritional qualities of meat? Fucking meat, which you could still have if you really wanted it, you’d just have to do it once every few weeks instead of twice a day.
Failing that, there’s already a high protein meat substitute that has good texture, flavor and is super cheap in terms of labor and water, it’s called a mushroom.
it really proves that it’s not about the environment and y’all just want to force your choices
Lmao. Believe it or not, most people don’t give a single shit about your dietary choices. I love meat myself, if lab grown meat were as good, could be as cheap, or as labor efficient, I’d be all for it like I am for, say, nuclear. But it just ain’t so, this futurist fetishism that some libs have is so fucking ridiculous and it’s really telling that when people tell you why it’s just not feasible your first instinct is to go “you’re literally 1984ing me rn”
Uh huh. So unfeasible, but Big Ag lobbyists are working to get it banned in multiple states (already successful in Florida)? Something doesn’t add up.
trying to ban the competition is just business as usual in the US, that’s ridiculously far from lab grown meat being a viable alternative.
Again, you can make fine burger meat with that process, anything else is fucking shit at the moment. It probably will get better eventually, but who knows how long it’ll be and there’s other sources of protein readily available already that don’t entail giving enormous subsidies to yet another fucking corporation.
And not buying stuff that comes from slaughterhouses and factory farms.
literally a chicken thief.
that expression exists in english too, right? just in case: “ladrão de galinha” is coloquially meant as a petty thief who steals food or small cheap stuff and gets harsh penalties, usually in the context of the robber barons getting away scott free. i found it a bit… ironic? for it to happen literally
It’s all unfair until you realize that most epidemics start with sick farm animals that come in contact with humans.
And who is forcing workers to be in close contact with animals? 🙄
arent you eating them in the first place?
epidemics start with sick farm animals that come in contact with humans.
What do you think farmers do? Do you think they don’t hire outside hands for cheap labor to come into contact with the animals? This lady was more safe in entering farm spaces and the handling of the chickens than any farm worker that would have otherwise come into contact with them. She follows very specific procedures to ensure disease doesn’t spread. They have a section in an investivigation manual on biosecurity & PPE you can read here: https://media.dxe.io/wl/?id=22ONdgUDbuBaOD7tHcqKEJQcNkLGaFtA
Bird Flu can cull an entire shed in 3-4 days. Bird flu is now in dairy cows. It’s in cats. It doesn’t stop with birds anymore. If you are worried about epidemics you should discourage eating chickens, turkeys, ducks, cows (& their milk/butter/cheese). Stop normalizing these CAFO operations. Focusing on animal activists is exactly what a bunch of chud billionare animal abusers want you to do.
Don’t they wait out the animals sickness?
If they don’t, that’s another reason to support cultivated meat.
It’s high time to do away with this primitive and barbaric way of food acquisition.
Look at that brave manly man arresting such a danger to the god-fearing, Jesus-loving, for-profit US society.
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