I’m pretty sure awful.systems shadowbanned me for disagreeing with them on one topic one time + (a bit of an uncivil comment in hindsight). Mods completely silent in DMs.

Comment in question:

Look at these two pages of the same thread:

Not making this up. Images link to the posts. More:

Kinda feels like this, lol:

Here’s the ban action:

Their mod history is fucky, shows mod history 3 years ago before showing what happened 3 or 4 days ago. Feel free to verify. (Bear in mind that you will need to move forward a page or two if you read this later).

If I’m banned, why can i still post? Also, wtf was Self on about? I’ve only had positive experiences before getting banned. You can literally see in the comment above that I’ve gotten positive sentiment before. ASAIK, I’ve not posted on awful.systems other than the times above.

Most importantly, I wouldn’t care if it was a month ban or 3 month ban even but like perma/shadow ban? for what? a mild insult and disagreeing with your circle jerk one time?

I genuinely liked the community on that instance. It had good takes ~80% of the time. Shame.

  • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
    61·
    20 hours ago

    The mild insult probably doesn’t matter - the issue is contradicting that instance’s precious, oh-so-precious circlejerk. They want to paint any sort of generative AI as a demon, and if you say otherwise you’re the bad side.

    And it’s kind of funny how much they resemble the same sort of muppets who believe LLMs are intelligent. Same disingenuous/idiotic lack of reasoning and reading comprehension, same failure to see tech as tech.

    That said there’s no shadowban in Lemmy, it’s probably federation syncing issues.

    • IngeniousRocks (They/She) @lemmy.dbzer0.com
      41·
      13 hours ago

      Just an aside that it tangential related.

      If you are one of those muppets (I was) I implore you to spend a couple hours learning to Roll out an llm on your own machine (not leveraging someone’s GPU farm, use your own hardware at home). It only takes a couple hours of fucking around with prompts to realize these things are dice rolls with heavy weights on what Rolls can come next. They’re dumb as rocks, don’t think at all, and even so called “reasoning” models can’t solve even the most basic logic puzzles.

      I used Deepthink for an hour guiding it to proper solutions for logic puzzles and it consistently hallucinates new information to result in the puzzles being easy to solve.

      LLMs are NOT intelligent, they’re (much like diffusion models for images) literally just making sense from random noise.

  • Nothing4You@programming.devEnglish
    16·
    2 days ago

    you can simply check your profile and modlog on the instance in question. it’ll show that you got banned from that instance 8 days ago. since you didn’t participate in any community on that instance there were no community bans federated out. instance bans currently don’t federate, only community bans for communities on the instance you got banned from, if you have previously participated in them.

  • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
    91·
    1 day ago

    The admin of a small Awful instance is handing out bans from their instance to people from other instances who make posts on other other instances which offend the Awful admin.

    Basically some cranky person is publishing their personal block list and the appropriate response is to ignore the Awfully-run instance.

    Look at this guy trying to act like a wise referee handing out meaningless bans with zero effect. It’s like if I shout “red card!” at a TV soccer match.

  • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
    5·
    1 day ago

    Heck I can’t even tell who took mod action normally on me because if you get any notice its small on detail and as I have learned what is necessary to find out its like eff that bs. I just block the community and move on. Its like I stop going to clubs with the annoying bouncer or staff member.

    • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      2 days ago

      Yeah, it’s definitely fucked. Trying to hit next technically seems to skip over pages, but it’s moot because every page is just a copy of page one.

    • Rin@lemm.eeOP
      3·
      2 days ago

      To clarify, there’s no way there were no actions taken between 8 days and 3 months ago… They’re just not in order or they’re not showing every action, if that makes sense?? If you go to the next page, you’ll see that pattern continue. Sorry if I’m being confusing

      • Nothing4You@programming.devEnglish
        7·
        2 days ago

        modlog view is a bit broken currently and doesn’t make much sense if you don’t know how it works.

        the modlog view currently merges the different types of modlog entries in a single view, but the pagination doesn’t make much sense that way.

        for example, removing a comment is an action that happens quite frequently, but removing a community does not. the modlog shows e.g. up to 20 actions per modlog entry type, so you may see comment removals for the last few hours, but community removals could be for the past year. then when you hit next page, you’ll see the next page for each type, but the times make even less sense now. you’ll see entries 20-40 for comments, but also 20-40 for communities.

        the timeline will be consistent when you filter for specific entry types.

      • Shadow@lemmy.ca
        3·
        2 days ago

        I can confirm that if they did ban you, that ban information wasn’t federated out. There’s no mod actions in the lemmy.ca DB for you from that instance.

  • Rob299 - she/her@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    4·
    2 days ago

    I didn’t know you could get shadowbanned on Lemmy. The most I ever hear about are straight forward temp bans or Perma bans. Sometimes you might be lucky and it might just be a simple comment removal o post removal resulting in no ban to the user.

      • Draconic NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        4·
        1 day ago

        Hopefully the devs will make changes to the system to remove these shortcomings. Like Federating site bans in the modlog to all sites. Like instead of saying person was banned say person was banned from instance.tld maybe only say person was banned locally on that instance. Would clear up a lot of these funny issues.

    • Universal Monk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      I didn’t know you could get shadowbanned on Lemmy.

      I’ve def had the feeling that I’ve been shadowbanned from some places, but I don’t know if it’s something that’s done on Lemmy or not.

      I never really cared enough to look into it too deeply though.