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Reading that Flatpak is struggling to merge new features is concerning. Flatpak is a really important project for getting commercial developers on board. I don’t want to go back to unpacking .deb files built only for Ubuntu 12.04 to install an application and I want closed source apps to be sandboxed.
There are closed source apps in Flathub today. Spotify comes to mind.
I use closed source apps. BurpSuite, Microsoft Teams, and some of the JetBrains tools for example.
I would like to see FlatHub become an App Store suitable for distributing paid software as well. That is, I can pay for the software in the App Store. If FlatHub was making money, they could fund the development of Flatpak.
I do not want FlatHub or GNOME to be writing commercial software. They can distribute it though and then use those profits to support the ecosystem.
I use LibreOffice but more people would use Linux if they could use Microsoft Office. I use GIMP but many professional users cite Photoshop as the reason that they cannot migrate to Linux.
Let’s get the Adobe Creative Suite into a Linux Apo Store so Linux users can get their software and Adobe can make money. Then let’s try to make better Open Source alternatives to put them out of business. I would rather compete with them head-to-head on Linux than to keep people trapped on commercial desktops like we do today.
We already have a successful paid software App Store on Linux. It is called Steam. And it is bringing many new users to Linux. We need to do the same for paid applications that are not games.
I do not really want either FlatHub or GNOME to fall into the Mozilla trap though where they become focussed on creating revenue. FlatHub already has a natural way to make money. They should use it to first fund development of their platform. If they have excess cash (guaranteed if an App Store takes off), they can give it away to other projects. Something like a FlatHub Summer of Code would be amazing.
I want closed source apps
Ewww
I am eagerly awaiting your FOSS implementation of all Jetbrains IDEs; and no the half-baked solutions that are Visual Studio Code and the various other editors that need approximately 50 plugins to get basic refactoring features don’t cut it. While you are at it, please also reimplement the whole Steam catalog.
Have you considered using GNU Emacs? Or even shudder vim?
There are plenty of free software games available: https://libregamewiki.org/
Yes, I did. They are both perfectly fine editors but they don’t hold a candle to a proper IDE with a good Vim plugin. I also want to play some games that go beyond the production values of SuperTuxKart and Battle for Wesnoth.
They are both perfectly fine editors but they don’t hold a candle to a proper IDE
I’m not sure what you mean by “proper” in this context. Every IDE I’ve ever used has seemed like a child’s toy compared to Emacs. An annoying child’s toy with cracks and sharp edges.
I also want to play some games that go beyond the production values of SuperTuxKart and Battle for Wesnoth.
Try 0 A.D. or FreeOrion.
to be sandboxed
If you gotta have em, at least keep them in flatpak jail.
“Wick started his talk by saying that it looks like everything is great with the Flatpak project, but if one looks deeper, “you will notice that it’s not being actively developed anymore”. There are people who maintain the code base and fix security issues, for example, but “bigger changes are not really happening anymore”. He said that there are a bunch of merge requests for new features, but no one feels responsible for reviewing them, and that is kind of problematic.”
–OOF.
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a great, interesting article. thanks.
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“Like, you bind something on localhost and suddenly all applications can just poke at it”. He gave the example of AusweisApp, which is an official authentication app for German IDs that can be used to authenticate with government web sites. It exposes a service on the local host, which makes it available to all Flatpak applications on the system.
This is some of the stuff that I feel like we really need to take a look at. I’m not sure if this is like directly exploitable, but at the very least it’s kind of scary.
Over the years i noticed that germany has ugly software and websites. in austria its different.
- Another awkward spot the project finds itself in, he said, is with NVIDIA drivers. The project has to build multiple versions of NVIDIA drivers for multiple runtimes that are supported, and that translates to a great deal of network overhead for users who have to download each of those versions—even if they don’t need all of the drivers. (This complaint on the Linux Mint forum illustrates the problem nicely.)
obligatory NVIDIA, FUCK YOU!
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How long do you think until Flatpak is replacing packages? I really don’t like the current stultifying trend of the combination of Flatpak and immutability.
It isn’t replacing packages. App developers are simply spending there time where it matters.
If a distro wants to package something they can still do it.
I do not want Flatpak to replace distro packages.
I use both pacman and apk and they are both far better package managers than Flatpak is. Apk 3 is awesome. And I do not want sandboxes for native packages.
The role of Flatpak is as a distribution method for app developers to target Linux as a platform with a single build. It is a place to get things that may not be in my distro repos. It can be a method for commercial distribution. It is the cure for the “fragmentation” problem that makes it difficult to develop software for Linux.
I hate snaps but snaps could actually be used to replace packages. You could distribute GCC as a snap. In its current form, Flatpak is only targeting GUI applications
Why?
not op but here’s my reasons: I want my apps to be able to talk to each other. So flatpak is just in the way. Also, I don’t see the point of immutable distros. I could boot off of btrfs snapshots years ago. Immutability gives me absolutely nothing of value either
It hugely improves privacy and security
How so?
The benefit is easy roll backs and roll forwards. The system is the same from a security perspective.
I want my apps to be able to talk to each other. So flatpak is just in the way.
This is (at least somewhat of) a legit concern. But is mostly directed towards Flatpak’s limitations in its current implementation.
Also, I don’t see the point of immutable distros. I could boot off of btrfs snapshots years ago. Immutability gives me absolutely nothing of value either
Have you ever wondered why openSUSE started working on (what would eventually become) Aeon while they had previously pioneered the BTRFS + Snapper workflow with Tumbleweed? I believe you may find the point of immutable distros in there 😉.
I dig immutability for servers, grandma, and productivity laptops.
I think it fills a nice niche in the Linux ecosystem, even if I still prefer my custom prime desktop.
As someone new to both, I’m commenting to hear your answer to the other person’s “why?” :)
