The Democratic Party’s propping up an obviously declining Joe Biden is one of the greatest political disasters in American history.

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    Do they ever learn from any fuck up? No. Our next nominee is probably going to be Nancy Pelosi because we all know how much everyone loves her, and she’s the perfect age to run.

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      And then it’ll be “Vote blue no matter who!”

      And “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”

      And then “stupid progressives you make us lose all the time!”

      And then we’re thrown into camps by JD Vance’s stormtroopers while elected democrats hold up signs.

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      Nah, they will just run Harris again but lean even harder into trying to sway Republican voters since it worked out so well.

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        I read quite well, and understood my history lessons. And I’m armed and practiced. Still, likely won’t be enough, but I’ll die with my boots on before ICE comes for my legal, and brown, alien wife.

        And for all y’all bitching about life’s minor inconveniences, wait for Depression 2.0. You’ll find out quick what’s truly important and what you can do without.

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        Idk if it’s necessarily fail more than happy to capitulate. Only way out of this will be Luigi style I’m afraid. I mean, I’m all for hoping David Hogg burns out the corrupt but it’s unlikely he can do it alone.

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      It’s going to be Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel. They will care about sucking Netanyahu’s dick far more than any domestic policy goal. Depending on how badly Trump fucks up, it they might even win.

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        I was being hyperbolic and trying to think of the worst Democrat possible to put up, so I really highly doubt they would actually run her, but really, you just never fucking know these days, nothing would shock me. They could run Don Jr. at this point and I’d be like “yeah, sounds about fucking right” while bashing my head into my desk.

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        Or just write in DemsNeedToListen ToThierVoters. Show them it was an ACTIVE choice not to back a shit candidate, and you were there, willing, and able to vote had they offered better.

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    It’s almost like their strategy for winning is “If republicans fuck up enough, they’ll have to vote for us”.

    Or as George Washington put it:

    The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism.

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      70% of Americans would get 1/4 of their way through the sentence, give up, and assume the writer was an idiot who couldn’t communicate.

      That is the world we live in now

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

        In 2023, 28% of adults scored at or below Level 1, 29% at Level 2, and 44% at Level 3 or above.[1] Adults scoring in the lowest levels of literacy increased 9 percentage points between 2017 and 2023. In 2017, 19% of U.S. adults achieved a Level 1 or below in literacy while 48% achieved the highest levels.[2]

        Anything below Level 3 is considered “partially illiterate” (see also § Definitions below).[3] Adults scoring below Level 1 can comprehend simple sentences and short paragraphs with minimal structure but will struggle with multi-step instructions or complex sentences, while those at Level 1 can locate explicitly cued information in short texts, lists, or simple digital pages with minimal distractions but will struggle with multi-page texts and complex prose.[4] In general, both groups struggle reading complex sentences, texts requiring multiple-step processing, and texts with distractions.[4]

        Keep trying to tell y’all, we Americans are far dumber than you think. Rating intelligence by comparing your friends, family and lemmy posts is a self-selecting fail. You’re not out there interacting with the very dumbest of our population, and no, retail work hardly counts.

        This is not lost on our politicians and media. They’re aiming for votes and eyeballs. If you want to obtain those things, you aim low and never mind the “intelligentsia”, snobs that they are. 🙄

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    You would think this might have been a learning experience. Not for the Democratic establishment, whose members quickly scrambled to blame — what else? — the progressive left for their own failure, spent the months since thinking their comeback lay in posturing as socially conservative or trying to bankroll podcasters, and have been soothing themselves that they will win the 2026 midterms by default, even if they’re loathed by voters.

    Schumer believing they already have a majority cinched going into 2026 is insane.

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    They don’t have anything to learn, none of this is an accident they’re just following orders from their billionaire owners

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    It’s not the democrats who need to learn this lesson, it’s voters. We all need to learn that the democrats and the republicans are two parts of one entity, and their priority is to the status quo and the protection of capital. The people’s needs are in direct conflict with the corporations needs to make as much money as possible. Which makes “left” and “right” voters allies, they can’t have that so they divide us with culture war in the hopes that we won’t see this.

    We’re not going to vote our way out of this.

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    Once again. Best president of my lifetimes (comparison is based on actual presidents we had in office. Not ficticious ideal ones). No disaster here to me. kamala was fine mainly because she came out of that decent administration and biden did well partially from his experience in the obama admin (he knew republicans had 0 sincerity). Further kamala’s vp was an awesome pick. Im sorry some idiots voted for trump and others did not vote. I remember all the complaints about gore but wow I still can’t imagine what we would have been like without 911 and a stronger paris accord.

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      I had the same view (he pulled out of the Afghanistan, he mostly ended drone strikes, passed Chips Act, passed extremely watered-down Build Back Better bill, passed The Inflation Reduction Act, dealt with COVID moderately okay, he lowered some drug prices under Medicare, he passed moderate gun control bill), until he decided to unconditionally support a genocide. That just made him another modern American president that is a war criminal under international law. But even ignoring that, what he achived was barely moving a needle for improving the life for the working class. He failed to deliver full Build Back Better bill, he failed to raise minimum wage, he failed to forgive student loan debt, he failed to negotiate prices for all drugs that US government buys, he failed to lower cost of basic goods. That’s just what he tried and failed to do.

      But the story wasn’t even about it. He was a disaster because he was sick, senile old dude that could barely speak and the DNC and their political aparatus protected him at the any cost, including making his brand toxic in the upcoming elections.

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        He failed because Americans gave him the most razor thin majority and when it came time to support him more they stayed home or voted Republican.

        It’s amazing how everyone can blame one single party and not the millions of Americans who did fuck all.

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          Party is not entitled to votes just because and this attitude is shared by corporate Democrats in charge and is the reason Democrats will continue to lose and lose. Apart from the Trump cult members which is around 25-30% of the US population, the rest of the voters were people who knew Trump was bad (they might have underestimated it), but they wanted to avoid the existing status que and they knew Trump would be anything but status que.

          Look at Biden popularity. When he was the most popular? When he delivered cash checks to people during stimulus package. Deliver for working people and they will deliver for you. Continue robbing people blind and supporting corporate overlords and people will continue to not deviler for you.

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            Not disputing anything you’ve said, but the reality is also that the winner of pretty much every election at the state and federal level will be won by either the Democratic or Republican nominee. Fewer than 99% of state and federal legislative seats in the country are held by third party or independent (2 out of 535 federally are Independent, none are third party).

            https://ballotpedia.org/Current_independent_and_minor_party_federal_and_state_officeholders

            Both parties weaponize this, for sure. But the only message not voting sends to those in power is that your opinion doesn’t matter and they don’t have to waste any effort trying to win you over. One of the two will win whether you participate or not. And clearly, there is a real difference with real consequences as to which one it is.

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              I’m aware. 3rd parties are not viable in the US. I think the only way to change that is to encourage local already established leaders be it advocates, activists, reporters, teachers or other working class people with a fundamental core of values to run for political office under Democratic banner, but who are also willing to criticize and call out corporate slaves of the party. This upcoming election cycle there seems to be a lot of new new faces primaring useless corporate goons that are raising huge amounts of money with a message of working class first.

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            They’re not entitled.

            You and every other American are also not entitled to a decent life, as evidenced.

            So do with that what you will. People want to be stupid then they’ll continue getting their just desserts.

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        He did not unconditionally support it. Given the situation he did about as best as any president could have. Which can really be seen by whats happened since trump came in. All pretense in israel evaporated. He certainly was not senile but he was old. It could be seen when he talked in that he could not speak quickly or jump around topics but what he said at least made sense compared to his opponent.

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          Given the situation he did about as best as any president could have.

          By violating US own laws in sending weapons to Israel? I though Democrats cared about laws? Or do you only care about them when it’s convenient?

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            The laws cited are for particular situations which like it or not does not have the designations to be enforced. This is not a case of blatantly ignoring law.

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              The same laws were applied to Colombia, Mexico and Cambodia in the past… You are entitled to your own opinion, but facts doesn’t support that position.

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        In what he got accomplished in one term with a very adversarial situation. Besides the obudsman bill which concurrently helped with environmental issues and climate change (and some other stuff it was a really good bill), the no surprise billing, he fought well for loan forgiveness and even though they blocked him at every turn he got the loan amount can never go above prinicipal and payments based on income along with eventual forgivess if payments are regularly made, put a floor of 15% for corporate tax so they can’t deduct to zero, had the irs work on doing taxes for folks, had a bunch of things with annoying fees and bs regular folk had to deal with (this is something really every legislatore and president should be doing), finally got us to were we are not in an active conflict since basically 911 so finally after almost 25 years, had medicare negotiate drug prices (oh also capped insulin costs), its sad to have to mention it but he supported a science based pandemic response with masking and vaccines winding them down as hospital stopped feeling the strain, all sorts of things that basically had to unwind bs from trump while not breaking the law in doing it. Got rid of no compete and yeah that was overturned but it shows the fight he had. I cannot point to a single term of any other administration that accomplished as much relative good as his did given the crazy ass situation we have today.

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    Umm isn’t the GOP “propping up an obviously declining” wannabe dictator?!? Sure looked that way last time I checked. And didn’t the Dems do the ol’ switcheroo, and run Kamala Harris? I’m really surprised that this is coming from Jacobin. wtf? Did I switch timelines?

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      It turns out, “Well the other guy is worse,” is not a winning strategy. (See also 2016)

      If only the DNC cared enough to champion popular progressive platitudes instead of kneecapping them. (See “Don’t promise say anything stupid, Tim Walz)

      The DNC is complacent with trump because his actions will not negatively impact their lifestyles

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        The problem (for Democrats) in running on popular progressive platitudes is that some of them might prove so popular that they’d be forced to implement them.

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    It will only resonate with them once they get shipped to El Salvador. Until then… nothing but bullshit. Here’s to hoping they get on President TruMusk’s nerves sooner.

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      This comment is neither respectful nor civil, which are rules in this community.

      This you?

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        There is nothing disrespectful about that comment, yet the one I was replying to was harassment, and that user has gone on to post harassment against me again. I reported him, you have done nothing. This has been forwarded to the admins for mod harassment.

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          I did nothing? I reported your comment for a violation of community rules. Looks like the mods of the community disagree with you.

          This has been forwarded to the admins for mod harassment.

          Bahahahahaha! Ok 👍

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    Yeah. Maybe they’ll run a former prosecutor with an impeccable record and a VP so nice that even the GoP couldn’t bribe people to say mean thing about him.

    I mean again.

    Quit blaming the Dems. Blame the education system and figure out how to excise the cancerous states. States can’t yet secede, but maybe they can be kicked out.

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      “Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.”

      By definition the Democrat’s job is to get elected. By definition they suck at their job.

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      And who let the repugnicunts gut our public education for 40 years? Fucking hell some of them even helped write no child left behind

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    The way the republicans learned off the first Trump disaster, it is generally high expectations to have to the voters.

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    The DNC already did…

    I dunno why people just ignore the chair election that happened after Biden

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      Glad we made the right choice and David Hogg is focusing on bringing in young voices to reform the party!

      checks notes

      ok this shit is just embarassing

      walks away

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      Ken Martin? He’s not an improvement. Remember Dean Phillips? He was the Minnesota Congressman who realized Biden couldn’t win and tried to get his party to hold a real primary. For his efforts, the party pushed him out leadership and found multiple challengers for his own seat. Ken Martin was in charge of the Minnesota Democratic Party at the time, and released this passive aggressive statement after they finally drove Phillips out of politics:

      We appreciate Dean’s service and his 100% voting record supporting President Biden’s historic record of accomplishments. There are a number of talented DFLers who would be great representatives for Minnesota’s third district and who understand the importance of reelecting President Biden and keeping this seat in DFL hands. I’m confident we will have a strong and loyal nominee for the DFL Party at the conclusion of the process.

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      So why is the new Chair doubling down on fascism over supporting cetrists or leftists?

      Do you support a conservative DNC?