• Mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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    It’s not just Republicans, many independents (46%) voted for Trump, and millions of major party voters sat the last election out.

    Independents are now the majority of voters at about 40%, D and R 30% each. I think it’s because more and more people are rejecting our two-party system in the only legal way they can, anti-incumbency may be the new norm (I am an “I”).

    I am surprised that so many voted for Trump. A combination of contempt of government and news ignorance? If any voters “feel duped” I think the only explanation is that they are news-free people for whatever reason. Some people cannot deal.

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    It’s maddening to think an entire group of young men are dumb enough to think a rich douchecanoe who is by any account far from being a beacon of ethical business would be one to “drain the swamp” (to say nothing of his overall complete lack of morality). This was obvious basic populism from the start.

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    We all know that Trump is … mentally not the giant he thinks he is. He said “Draining the Swamp”, but he really meant “Swamping the Drain”.

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    What happens when you elect the alligator to drain the swamp it lives in? Such a mystery. 🤔

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    Anecdotal, but living in a very conservative area as an engineer, most coworkers (especially my age) are very left leaning. It’s the technicians and old farts close to retiring that still gargle trump’s balls.

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    They voted for Trump to drain the swamp!? That is like voting for Epstein to end child prostitution.

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    A bit of due diligence may have been helpful in their decision making. Nothing of substance about Trump was not known before the election.

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      I don’t want to excuse their decision, but want to point out some context. Right-wing media is really effective at throwing out a ton of bullshit to obfuscate reality. The right-wing bubble throws out shit like Democrats having underground pedophile rings being run in DC pizza restaurants. Meanwhile Trump was found to have committed rape by a court.

      Many conservative voters either:

      • Don’t hear about the second one
      • Or hear about both and decide that all news is mostly made up trash like the National Inquirer
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        its called firehose of falsehood, create many false narratives to the point your opponents dont know how to respond to it, this also doubles internal propaganda the target base wouldnt know what is true or not. and yes its russian strategy, and fox works with putin closely with the propaganda.

        another one was pretty much gaza muslims, refuse to vote for biden, eventhough it had no statistical different on the voting numbers before the election.

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      But then how would they vote by feels when their gut knows the truth & detects fake news a mile away?

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    After Epstein

    Except Americans voted for Trump after Epstein. Everyone knew they were literally partners in crime. It was public knowledge so don‘t tell me anyone can possibly be surprised by this outcome. What a bunch of child rapist supporting hypocrites.

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      I mean up until recently they were all like, “haha just wait until the list comes out and all you libtards get yours.” Of course, now that trump has made it abundantly clear he’s on it (as opposed to it just being normally clear he was on it before), they’ve split into gullible idiots who feel betrayed and cultish idiots who now think pedophilia is actually not so bad somehow.

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      The thing is that not everyone knew.

      You have to remember that many of these people grew up in what’s basically a cult. They were brainwashed to believe that everything that didn’t come out of Fox News was a lie from the enemy who wants to destroy them.

      Critical thinking and questioning authority were actively punished.

      It’s easy to assume that everyone is as informed on politics as you are, but besides the above, many people just don’t care enough to keep up to date with it.

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            Those people wanted irrelevance, and as far as I’m concerned, they got what they wanted. I don’t waste a single moment of my day thinking about them. For all intents and purposes, they don’t exist. They were pig headed and stubborn before, and they’re certainly not going to change now. Focusing effort on them is a waste of time. Any path to the future goes AROUND nonvoters - not through them.

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        thats true but gen is getting the short end of the stick right now. plus Alpha is coming of age eventually and they will probably be worst off than Z.

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            I bet the ancient Greeks said the same thing about the invention of paper.

            I have no clue how historically accurate that is, but my point is that humans have been stupid with short attention spans for a very long time

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              Actually in the late 1800s people did actually complain about people not being able to use slate anymore since paper was now so much cheaper.

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          The average person on Lemmy works at a far higher level than the average person in the public. Remember that they have to tell you not to line your baby’s crib with plastic film. They have to tell you that the surface of an oven is hot. It’s all about statistics. Take 10,000 people and some of them are going to do terribly stupid things.

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      Because of people like Zuck, Musk, and whoever is twisting the YouTube algorithm these days. People are manipulable and they used their considerable power to manipulate young men without futures.

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    They feel duped because they were duped. (By the most obvious con man in history.)

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    This article expresses opinions which are so dumb that it hurts.

    Thinking that Trump is “anti-establishment” was fucking stupid to begin with. As a millionaire he is by definition part of the elite.

    And if it takes the Epstein case to realize that you have been duped you’re also a bit late to the party. They have been taking everything they can from you and gave it to the rich for months now, and there is no end in sight. Enjoy working those shit jobs for minimal wages. Those that were previously done by immigrants which you wanted to see deported.

    Also the whole gullible MAGA male problem is not limited to Gen Z. Being a dumb fuck is a fun activity for the whole family.

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      It does make the important point that MAGA cultists are not limited to boomers though, which is something a lot of younger people seems to think. Being young doesn’t mean you are immune to the lure of fascism.

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      These people were brainwashed for decades that their biggest fears are people with darker skin tones ( and the “elite pedophile cabal”). They are happy getting fucked as long as enough of those are getting fucked aswell. I have seen so many repubes getting rock hard over the Gestapo kidnapping people that most of them would ignore Trump having sex with children in the middle of the street.

      I really do not see many people in the cult caring about Epstein. While those people exist and are pretty vocal about it, most Trump-fans are so racist and so deeply entrenched in their believes that it will take a miracle to save the U.S.

      I do not believe in miracles but i kind of hope for your guys sake and also mine.

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        ( and the “elite pedophile cabal”)

        To be fair, that part seems to have turned out to be true (albeit used as a DARVO tactic by said cabal itself).

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          No that part did not turn out to be true. What turned out be true is that powerful people abuse their abundance of power to protect themselves and other people in power NO MATTER the kind of crime. Wether it be rape, fraud, murder or any other crime. Epstein was a rich, abusive pedophile that tied himself to as many powerful and rich people as possible to protect his evil doing.