Weirdly, I agree with this statement. “Work gives you purpose.” is something that my friends dad once said, that I only recently gotten to understand the meaning of. I have severe treatment resistant clinical depression and the only time I get a sliver of relief is when I’m at work and my brain is firing on all cylinders. It’s only when I’m alone, on my own time is when all the feeling of inadequacy and self hate creep back. So yeah, if the whole purpose of the healthcare system is to keep me health enough to be a cog in the machine, then so be it.
Because, seriously, what’s the alternative? Is your endgame to slouch on the couch all day? Is your end goal in life to be a sloth? You got to contribute, otherwise this whole thing doesn’t work. And to make it work, you gotta work.
Cool, now remember that works for you and we’re not all the same. Work, for me, induces depression. I’m most happy in life when I have nothing to do and have to find creative ways to fill my time. Never once have I derived meaning from work, not once.
Yeah, as much as I’m like the person you’re responding to, I get some people are and some people aren’t. Some people never want to be part of that work system, and that is totally fine. I get antsy when I have off work, but some people are probably the complete opposite and get depressed just thinking about going to work. I feel like we’d all be better off if we didn’t force people to work. Nobody who’s forced to work is doing the job well. Let’s just do the whole UBI thing, and if you want to work you work and they give you some extra cash on top, you buy more shiny stuff, whatever.
Yeah, work is great. A majority of people like working. What a majority of people DON’T like is being a slave, working 100 hours a week and sleeping 5 hours a night, sacrificing the rest of your life, sacrificing health, family, happiness, etc. all so the people in control can squeeze every last nickel out of us until we die from exhaustion and despair. That is what people object to, and that is what the ruling class wants. Nobody is suggesting that everyone should just sit on the couch and watch society collapse because nobody is keeping it running. People want fair treatment with a healthy work/life balance.
That’s funny, because it works the other way for me. Always had trouble getting into a groove at work, as soon as it happens I remember my effort is wasted protecting someone else’s money. I only get just enough in return to come back tomorrow. The only time I can really dig in and lose track of everything else, is when I work on my own projects, for my own sanity. I could spend centuries following my own hobbies, and someday I hope to be able to give back to everyone, not just my boss.
The alternative is that we stop grinding everyone into dirt, give some free time back to this generations Einsteins. FOSS is a monolith of proof that we don’t need to be threatened with poverty and death to ‘be productive.’ Given the technologic breakthroughs over the last century, we should already be living in a utopia.
There are many conditions that make it near impossible to work full time with enough consistency to support yourself. So many cancer treatments cause permanent damage, so even if you are in remission, you’re too ill to work. Complex medical problems that require frequent, unpredictable visits to clinics are simply incompatible with hourly work and have a significant impact on 9-5 salaried positions because so many clinics only operate during those hours. Add to that, people who work in manual labor positions are often at risk for injury, both acute and chronic, which means they can’t do the jobs they are qualified to do. There has to be a support system for cases like this where you need to transition to a new work regimen depending on your new limitations. If that support system isn’t there, isn’t reliable, or adds additional burden, it’s not going to help people recover. Making people feel worthless because they are temporarily or permanently unable to work is not a solution for anyone who isn’t an asshole.
I think you gotta put more work (hehe) into defining what you mean by “work”.
Some people think of work as an inherently exploitative activity, where someone who owns the means but lacks the skill to use them loans the means to someone who has the skill, in return for some of (most of) the benefits of the labor.
I think that arrangement actually strips a lot of fulfillment from life, because the people who do the work don’t get to make decisions and the people who make decisions aren’t forced to understand the real impact of those decisions.
But if you just mean “doing something useful” or even “doing something meaningful” (since much of what gives life meaning isn’t explicitly useful), I think it would hard to disagree with you.
I think a lot of people who call themselves “anti-work” aren’t opposed to putting effort towards something meaningful — I think it’s actually because of their sense that their day job is meaningless (and maybe even undermining meaningful pursuits) that they call themselves “anti-work”.
thats propaganda by corporate shills. you can be productive without working yourself to death. why do you think there are scientists/ junior technicians or stem workers, they are passionate about thier field. seems like your issues is a personal problem
theres a saying if you are bored all the time, you are boring.
Weirdly, I agree with this statement. “Work gives you purpose.” is something that my friends dad once said, that I only recently gotten to understand the meaning of. I have severe treatment resistant clinical depression and the only time I get a sliver of relief is when I’m at work and my brain is firing on all cylinders. It’s only when I’m alone, on my own time is when all the feeling of inadequacy and self hate creep back. So yeah, if the whole purpose of the healthcare system is to keep me health enough to be a cog in the machine, then so be it.
Because, seriously, what’s the alternative? Is your endgame to slouch on the couch all day? Is your end goal in life to be a sloth? You got to contribute, otherwise this whole thing doesn’t work. And to make it work, you gotta work.
Cool, now remember that works for you and we’re not all the same. Work, for me, induces depression. I’m most happy in life when I have nothing to do and have to find creative ways to fill my time. Never once have I derived meaning from work, not once.
Yeah, as much as I’m like the person you’re responding to, I get some people are and some people aren’t. Some people never want to be part of that work system, and that is totally fine. I get antsy when I have off work, but some people are probably the complete opposite and get depressed just thinking about going to work. I feel like we’d all be better off if we didn’t force people to work. Nobody who’s forced to work is doing the job well. Let’s just do the whole UBI thing, and if you want to work you work and they give you some extra cash on top, you buy more shiny stuff, whatever.
There are other things in life besides work and doing nothing, several other options.
Yeah, work is great. A majority of people like working. What a majority of people DON’T like is being a slave, working 100 hours a week and sleeping 5 hours a night, sacrificing the rest of your life, sacrificing health, family, happiness, etc. all so the people in control can squeeze every last nickel out of us until we die from exhaustion and despair. That is what people object to, and that is what the ruling class wants. Nobody is suggesting that everyone should just sit on the couch and watch society collapse because nobody is keeping it running. People want fair treatment with a healthy work/life balance.
That’s funny, because it works the other way for me. Always had trouble getting into a groove at work, as soon as it happens I remember my effort is wasted protecting someone else’s money. I only get just enough in return to come back tomorrow. The only time I can really dig in and lose track of everything else, is when I work on my own projects, for my own sanity. I could spend centuries following my own hobbies, and someday I hope to be able to give back to everyone, not just my boss.
The alternative is that we stop grinding everyone into dirt, give some free time back to this generations Einsteins. FOSS is a monolith of proof that we don’t need to be threatened with poverty and death to ‘be productive.’ Given the technologic breakthroughs over the last century, we should already be living in a utopia.
There are many conditions that make it near impossible to work full time with enough consistency to support yourself. So many cancer treatments cause permanent damage, so even if you are in remission, you’re too ill to work. Complex medical problems that require frequent, unpredictable visits to clinics are simply incompatible with hourly work and have a significant impact on 9-5 salaried positions because so many clinics only operate during those hours. Add to that, people who work in manual labor positions are often at risk for injury, both acute and chronic, which means they can’t do the jobs they are qualified to do. There has to be a support system for cases like this where you need to transition to a new work regimen depending on your new limitations. If that support system isn’t there, isn’t reliable, or adds additional burden, it’s not going to help people recover. Making people feel worthless because they are temporarily or permanently unable to work is not a solution for anyone who isn’t an asshole.
I think you gotta put more work (hehe) into defining what you mean by “work”.
Some people think of work as an inherently exploitative activity, where someone who owns the means but lacks the skill to use them loans the means to someone who has the skill, in return for some of (most of) the benefits of the labor.
I think that arrangement actually strips a lot of fulfillment from life, because the people who do the work don’t get to make decisions and the people who make decisions aren’t forced to understand the real impact of those decisions.
But if you just mean “doing something useful” or even “doing something meaningful” (since much of what gives life meaning isn’t explicitly useful), I think it would hard to disagree with you.
I think a lot of people who call themselves “anti-work” aren’t opposed to putting effort towards something meaningful — I think it’s actually because of their sense that their day job is meaningless (and maybe even undermining meaningful pursuits) that they call themselves “anti-work”.
thats propaganda by corporate shills. you can be productive without working yourself to death. why do you think there are scientists/ junior technicians or stem workers, they are passionate about thier field. seems like your issues is a personal problem
theres a saying if you are bored all the time, you are boring.
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