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How is reddit post protest, did it really win over protesters? Did the ones who left make a dent? Or like all things before, did it ultimately do nothing?
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I’m here now and not there. So I guess it at least did a little something 🙋♂️
Here and not there too. I saw my last post when Apollo got cut off.
It was difficult to figure out how this works at first and wait for the Memmy TestFlight, but now I’m happy.
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I haven’t used liftoff but Memmy is also quite nice!
Liftoff is on android and Memmy is on IOS
Liftoff is Flutter and thus runs on everything.
Yep, happily testing out Liftoff on iOS. I still find myself using Memmy more often but it’s close. Pretty nice to have a bunch of options to explore developing at such a high rate.
I have been using Memmy too. It has been excellent.
Just started lemmy and Memmy today. It’s been a great experience so far. The learning curve isn’t nearly as large as has been reported
A big part of that smooth experience is all the progress that’s been made in the past month, on both Lemmy and Memmy.
The Memmy app only started out as a beta in TestFlight ~4 weeks ago, and was limited to 10k users. The developer has made a truly inhuman amount of progress in that time - he was (and still is) pushing updates more than once a day. It’s only been in the regular App Store for a few days now.
Additionally, the largest Lemmy instance (lemmy.world) was having stability issues with the massive influx of users. But just a few days ago they figured out what was causing the problems, and the latest version of Lemmy has those fixes.
Wow, when you put it like that, it really highlights how much work got put into this because the experience, especially for a brand new app, is very reminiscent of Apollo. They’ve done a great job so far. Obviously not near where Apollo was, but that was over 9 years of development. Memmy looking great* so far
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Agreed, liftoff has been super smooth so far
I have been using liftoff also but it is very difficult to find new communities not on your instance or on lemmy.world through the app I couldn’t figure it out at first glance so I add them through a web browser and then can access them on the app
I’ve been adding and blocking communities through the browser since I joined. None of the apps currently seem to be able to add or block communities from other instances flawlessly just yet. I am enjoying watching this whole work in progress that is Lemmy though.
Yeah it does seem the apps are currently limited in that regard, hopefully development pace will continue and we’ll be up to a point where we can do that in the next few weeks.
Once the apps are in a good state we can see how viable this will be long term.
My dude, it’s ok to shill Lemmy/Fediverse. I’ve been doing it to people I know IRL that use R3dd!t.
I have stuff all idea how half of this works and how I’m doing it, I saw a post recommending liftoff and it’s been easy enough to blunder through. I’ve tried using the mobile web interface for Reddit and it’s like pulling teeth.
I checked it a few times on a web browser but only a handful. Pretty much done after apollo was killed while I was browsing. It was weird watching the app die in real time
Here and not there too. I saw my last post when Apollo got cut off.
It was difficult to figure out how this works at first and wait for the Memmy TestFlight, but now I’m happy.
Still looking for a RIF lemmy clone for android. Started with jeroba, on connect now. But nothing like rif yet.
It’s not perfect but I’m quite happy with wefwef.app
Here and unfortunately there too. Because movie and tv series discussions don’t exist yet in here so i have to use reddit for that. But now i only use it for like 20 Minutes a day instead of 1-2 hours + now i block ads. So yeah it did something
I’ll discuss Sopranos with you everyday if you want
Fugedaboudit!
Do you really need to? I could understand for like mental health or financial advice, but I don’t think like entertainment is that essential to keep using and participating on reddit. Which is the worst since participating is content creation that increases engagement from other users who then respond to the comment.
Anyways I recommend a reddit front end if you must like libreddit or teddit. And Stealth for Android which is an app that lets you use a teddit front end. No account and use of front ends for less data for Reddit to collect is the ideal way to go if lurking must be done.
I do really need sometimes. You know some movies/episodes hit so hard that impossible to not talk to others about it, but i have nobody irl that watch that type of stuff so i have to talk with internet strangers.
Also yeah for mental health too.
I miss imdb and rotten tomatoes having forums. It used to be nice when there were many different avenues for discussion wherever you went online.
I did a search for tv and movie forum so came across this place
https://www.avforums.com/forums/tv-show-forum.55/
So there are places to discuss out there. Just have to break the habit of the one stop shop we got used to which has proved to be very problematic with how it has led to growth of companies like Facebook going from a social media company until it becomes so entrenched and hard to quit their influence started expanding beyond the startup that began without ads and treated users well, and stated gobbling up competitors and getting into new sectors.
It all just seems like a simple social media, but it’s scary how that can quickly turn and next thing you know it’s another billion dollar corporation. Who knows how the growth people like us contributed to reddit will turn out. Might be we created another future Facebook type entity.
You might want to have a look at !moviesandtv@lemmy.film https://lemmy.film/c/moviesandtv
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !moviesandtv@lemmy.film
That’s just movie news. What i want is discussions. You know like there are subreddits like r/blackmirror and they post a ‘black mirror Season 6 ep 1 discussion.’ and everyone post there opinions after watching it
There’s this then: https://lemmy.world/c/blackmirror
A thread per episode
Not much comments there, but that’s fine.
But I’ll have to wait a bit till fully depending on lemmy. For example now I’m watching Euphoria and there isn’t a lemmy community for that. Despite it being a popular series
It will come I guess, hopefully sooner than later. Have a good day!
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !blackmirror@lemmy.world
I still circle back because there’s still just way more discussion on Reddit. I’m still using RiF though, so I can’t post or vote
Same here. The day boost went down I moved here. And so far, even though I miss some communities, the overall quality of the posts is much higher. I can’t wait for boost lemmy app to come out.
It really really hope Lemmy takes off. For me, there’s enough here that I’m set. I look forward to the apps getting better and the platform getting more stable.
If you’re still having issues with apps, try wefwef.app. I have no complaints since I started using it.
I’m actually on the TestFlight for Memmy and it’s getting much better very quickly.
But I was an Apollo addict and that is a very high bar.
Wefwef reversing the colors on upvotes and downvotes triggers me, and at least on iOS it has a pretty annoying WebKit related bug where it stops scrolling until you tap something.
Memmy is quite good though, the functionality is there and the polish will come!
The main thing that got me on Memmy over wefwef is probably stupid, but it’s the haptic feedback on swiping to upvote.
It’s like a comfort blanket after Apollo was shut down
I was using Mlem more but this latest update to Memmy really looks great, and afaik it’s the first of what I have to add the ability to hide posts (at least on iOS), which was an essential feature for me on Apollo. Now I just want to be able to change my browsing swipe controls to hide and save swiping right like I did on Apollo! Aesthetically it’s looking really good too. I like the Apollo-esque themes.
Only issue I’ve had with wefwef is that I can’t seem to subscribe to communities using it? Like if I go to a sidebar, there is just no subscribe button. But if I go to the same sidebar in my browser, I can subscribe just fine.
Anyone else have this issue?
edit: Just tried again after posting this, and it seems to be working ok now. I’ve updated it like 3 times in the past 2 days so maybe they fixed it. Neat.
I don’t want it to absolutely explode in popularity to the point all the drama follows with it. I’m kinda liking being with a lot of savvy app users who contribute right now.
Agreed. Lemmy is very nearly active enough for me, so once the big apps like Sync start rolling in it defo will. Beyond that I don’t really care if Lemmy never gets as big as reddit.
I have nothing to back this up and I haven’t spent any significant amount of time browsing Reddit since the end of June. Yesterday, a search result took me to a section of Reddit and eyebrowsed through a bit. I feel like the people that left were the people that contributed and a lot of the remaining traffic is the people that just browse. Social media and the internet are not like real world businesses that just tank. Online social media is made up of the people who view it and the people who contribute to it. Facebook became boomers, memes that aren’t as clever as people who post them think they are, You’re great and posting pictures of a family reunion you didn’t know existed, and a substitute for craigslist. It didn’t used to be that way, but I think overall they would say their numbers are solid. Social media evolves, and Reddit is evolving in a direction, that a core group of users who I speculate were some of the more useful contributors, don’t want to participate in. We’re not going to wake up tomorrow and find Reddit gone. But will it ever truly be the front page of the internet again? Will it ever be where I’m glad my search took me for a specific tech problem? Will information that used to be on individual bulletin boards scattered throughout the net which had centralized on Reddit remain on Reddit? Reddit will probably cash out in some way and we’ll be left with the Facebook equivalent of Reddit. If that’s something that quality contributors don’t want to participate in, then it will be even more akin to Facebook. So is it going to go away? Probably not. Could you argue that it’s basically already gone? I would say it’s at least headed that way.
On some of the subs that I still frequent, the content has swiftly deteriorated, and it’s not just due to the still on-going protests anymore. I’m subscribed to something like 50 subs or so, and it’s always a handful of these that show up on my subscribed feed. If I want to find the other subs (some of which I don’t fully recall why I subbed to them) I have to browse down past a lot of crap content, or look at my list and click them individually. In short, the experience has been awful, not to mention that I no longer browse it on my phone when bored.
Reddit is still there as a resource, mostly for Google searches that take me there, but otherwise it feels “dead” to me, in ruins. It will not go away, like you said, it’ll definitely stick around but I think people will gradually move away to other platforms and its content will evolve to something that won’t be relevant to us one day.
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Reddit went from the 5th most visited website in the world to the 20th. That’s not nothing.
Lemme put on my tin foil hat for a second and say that this degrading of reddit was just in time for it to go public. It could only go up from here.
I can’t predict the future, but I think this whole federating thing is good. The internet and its traffic was too localized. The people don’t want to keep being sold.
Now if we could somehow get everyone that uses a site like this to actually PAY - say - $1 a YEAR, the internet would be better for it.
Pay who? Serious question.
Edi: Or where?
Pay your instance to help offset hosting fees.
I’m hoping this is the direction we go, and I think it will be, though if the Fediverse ever overtook private social media, I’m pretty certain the tech companies would lobby to regulate social media, try to regulate who’s allowed to host web servers, or lobby ISP’s to raise bandwidth costs for people who do host web servers.
Interesting. Maybe it’s my lack of imagination, but I don’t see how tech companies stamp us out by lobbying, or how web hosting and cloud services can be restricted based on use case. Seems like the genie is out of the bottle on this thing.
Eh, I kinda hope that happens to be honest. I’ve finally got to the point where I just deeply refuse to use any of the large corporation stuff, and if they somehow kill community run social networks, then I’ll finally be free of my addiction that I don’t have the willpower to deal with as long as there’s an ok-enough tempting alternative . Which I know is selfish, but I’d probably help me a lot :D
I find myself not too creative with imagining what are they(corporations) gonna make money off. I like not know what Meta is planning with Threads or what’s next with tech companies. I just have the distrust and reminder to not underestimate corporate greed.
Your comments and other lemming comments tells me how corporate greed is gonna fuck us next.
Back in the '90s, ISPs would provide subscribers with Email (POP3/SMTP) access, NNTP access and even basic web hosting of static pages. They also used to provide FTP mirrors of most large software repositories. This saved them wholesale bandwidth and also a faster connection for their users. Maybe modern independent ISPs can reimplement this Service for their subscribers. For instance (pun not intended) Telstra and iiNet (in Australia) could offer access to a Lemmy instance, or a consortium of independent ISPs could sponsor a regional Lemmy instance.
This is a really interesting point, because at least in the UK, we’re seeing a rise in regional ISPs again as companies rush to beat BT/Openreach to offering 1gbps fibre internet in areas they’re not yet prioritising.
I could completely see bundling a local-focussed set of fediverse services with the subscription to be a no brainer that people might actually get some decent value out of. Also would have the benefit of the services having a steady stream of income from the subscription fees.
That’s a really good idea. ISP email is still a thing in my country.
I’ll selflessly offer myself up as recipient.
The person who runs lemm.ee has a sponsor option on their github page. Idk if that’s standard practice, some pin the info at the top of their instance.
Didn’t they set server donation goals at one stage and the community of reddit were more than happy to contribute money?
There was this bar for years that said how much more donations they needed per month.
The big reveal on the impact from this will be in the aftermath from the future IPO. I believe the damage on the brand certainly had a big impact on the target price Reddit can ask.
Also, it showed how fragile its ecosystem is to a bunch of unpaid volunteers which may not have the shareholders interest at heart.
It did a lot of things already. Their valuation was halved (maybe not that bad, but it’s wasn’t good) after it was already not that great.
It made the “important” people take a step back and question whether they should spend their advertising dollars on Reddit. At least a handful of the bigger advertising companies paused their ads on Reddit.
It put a bug in investors ears. The last thing you want, from a newly acquired asset, is shit tons of bad press and drama, along with a public devaluation.
Google publicly commenting on Reddit protests screwing up search results got into the minds of people that may have never even paid attention.
During the blackouts user time spent on Reddit decreased, and overall traffic decreased slightly. The first matters more. If less people are engaging with the site, for less time each use, that’s less ads they will see. I haven’t seen too many stats about usage a month later.
The user side is what will take time to see what happens. As content quality goes down, some people will be less interested. Then again, look at the rest of social media. Most people don’t really seem to care much about actual content, so maybe I’m wrong on that one.
Valuation was halved before the protests started.
This says after to protest. Unless I’m reading it wrong.
It’s referring to the Fidelity cut, which was announced at the end of May
And I was referring to the one that I linked, which took place after that one, and after the protests started.
I don’t see it. The Gizmodo article sources this TechCrunch article, which says (emphasis mine):
Fidelity Blue Chip Growth Fund valued its holdings in Reddit at $15.4 million as of May 31, according to the fund’s monthly disclosure released Friday. That’s down 7.36% from the $16.6 million mark at April’s closure and altogether a slide of 45.4% since its investment in August 2021. The updated share value suggests a $5.5 billion valuation for Reddit
Yeah Giz is reporting that the valuation has been sliced after the protests, but their own source disagrees with them
Oh, that last bit about volunteers not being beholden to shareholders is not something that had occurred to me before. That definitely raises the risk of this asset.
The Reddit IPO will be an amazing short opportunity.
Saying that it’s over and the Reddit won is a bit naive. The majority of the subs that I used to frequent have come back online, but they are definitely still protesting. ProgrammerHumor is making new troll rules based on majority vote every week. Madlads made everyone a mod. Many subs are posting John Oliver or troll versions of their original purpose.
It’s not over. Will they succeed? Who knows. But Reddit is currently a completely different place than it was a month ago because of the ongoing protests.
As a digg refugee I can say that I am done with reddit, too much dejavu here.
Yup. I haven’t logged in since Boost went down and don’t intend to. Except when a link takes me there and auto-opens the app.
That said, while it’s fun and informative to talk about how bad Reddit has become, I hope Lemmy can move on soon and just start being something different rather than constantly being smug about Reddit.
I still have 12k+ comments made over 15 years I need to delete, then I’m gone
I thought the same as you until I checked and saw that /r/programming is back. That is a professional resource whose merits outweigh the ideological ramifications
It’s mostly blogspam and gpt generated “articles” and has been for years. Some of the language specific subs were good though.
I started spending more time at reddit slightly before the digg exodus, and yeah. The masses aren’t the ones to worry about, it’s the people that have been creating content and moderating it for the last 15 years. Reddit has no value past that, it’s just forum software (see also: digg.) Not sure how it’s going to shake out, but I know that I went viewing daily and commenting often to… nothing. The official app is not getting added to my phone, the mobile website is outright hostile, and it honestly just feels gross to launch the main website. I’d rather just search for gems on lemmy or kbin or mastodon and engage on that.
The subs I have witnessed (although it is difficult because I did delete my account in protest of the API changes), are all full of Astroturf and Ads and are no longer usable.
The madlads! (I’m sorry I had to)
Reddit certainly has changed and I don’t think it will bounce back so easily. It feels like the Mall you used to love that slowly fell from grace where all of your favorite stores slowly closed up shop and you found yourself going elsewhere instead. One day someone brings up the old mall in passing and someone else chimes in that it’s now a flea market. It feels like that’s where Reddit is heading… it feels like Reddit is turning into the Dirt-Mall.
The corpse of Digg is still shambling around
Lol, digg is owned by a company literally called BuySellAdsdotcom, Inc. Like, hey I wonder what that company’s north star is?
That is a type of transition that’s more exponential than linear. As time goes forward the decline gets faster and more noticable. I think you’re right about where Reddit is headed.
“You owe me like a dollar!” “Youll have to kill me for it!”
Bounce back? Reddit is growing and 99% of users will keep using it.
It’s a completely different place from 10 or even 5 years ago, and it will never change back.
And yet it dropped all the way to 20th most visited site…
Cope
I wanna say 20th is still pretty high, but quality of posts here are astronomically higher than reddit at the moment and if that continues to be the case, new visitors in general are gonna be signing up for both and will frequent the ones they most frequent. Same way we got on reddit, same way we got off reddit.
It’s not growing as of last month but we will see
Everything that reddit has that is of any value is the contributions of it’s users. Disrespecting those users will make them leave the platform, if not today, someday soon. Redditors! Choose to delete all your content NOW and let Spez IPO the ashes.
Before you delete, do transfer your content to lemmy or kbin or any fediverse instance. It can only benefit the community the more content we have :)
Can you link some tools to do so?
I’ve seen a few users mentioning their comments have been “undeleted” after a few attempts to remove them, and I’ve also seen comments by [deleted] accounts that still have their comments visible. This was right after the 48hr shutdown period, so it might not be a thing anymore.
Ya they were rolling back mass deleted/edited comments. That was a huge red flag for me, along with censoring info about lemmy etc. I don’t need that in my life.
I wish I saw this sooner. I deleted my comments yesterday (12+ year reddit account).
How can we transfer our content? Is there a script or tool to do so? I assume we only transfer our own posts we made and not any comments
There is a Bot.
It’s still massive and wasn’t going to die over the period of a month. People are looking elsewhere but currently have no good alternatives. Lemmy/kbin is awesome, but still not ready for the entire Reddit community. We’ll get there eventually!
we’ll never get there if users keep gatekeeping
I see many people arguing against improving the ux “its not that hard just learn it”
even defederating meta is bad imo, I think people will be more likely to switch over to alternatives if thread is federated, but if we defederate it then everyone will just stay on threads. Defederating only hurts us, not meta
facts, they’re just taking away user choice to block on their own
Yep, it’s on us to help move the content and people over to Lemmy. People and search engine will continue to default to Reddit. Eventually so much content will be on Lemmy/Kbin that reddit becomes a thing of the past, hopefully.
Reddit is too big to die quickly (unless they suffer a catastrophic failure), but it’s easy to see that it was an inflection point for them, that it’s downhill from here. Remember: at one point, it looked like Yahoo Directory and Internet Explorer would be around forever too.
Same for myspace. When was the last time that was relevant?
They all died due to competitive market pressure. Reddit and Twitter are dying due to managerial incompetence. I believe that Threads will be stillborn due to managerial incompetence, but we are yet to see.
apparently people are considering a return to myspace. i’ve seen the posts
In these days of Zuckerberg and Musk, Tom would be a huge win.
For that very same reason Tom said fuck all this, SOLD the whole thing and now lives his life doing whatever the f he wants. No way our boy Tom is about to come back with the whiteboard lmao he’s got it good
Tom was my first Internet friend. I’m glad he’s doing well
I don’t blame them.
Join Myspace: Hi, I’m Tom! I’m your friend!
Join Twitter: TUCKER CARLSON SAYS THE LIBERAL UFOS ARE GOING TO STEAL DONALD TRUMP’S HAIR!!!
Hahaha, it’s an interesting point. Myspace does still exist. But it’s a shell of it’s former self. We can only hope that someday reddit will be too.
Maybe I’m biased but I feel like the soul of Reddit as a social media site is much more dependent on its users than other sites. Reddit will continue on but if the company keeps undervaluing its users and moderators (and everything points to that), it will end up being as vapid and pointless as people are saying Threads is now.
Yeah, like your experience with Facebook is largely dependent on your IRL contacts using it. If your friends and family still use it, you might not even notice that it sucks, cuz you are by default more likely to be interested in their normal life shit. But individual connections aren’t really relevant on Reddit. I don’t even know if any of my IRL friends use it. My experience with it depends entirely on strangers posting good content. If those strangers stop, then Reddit sucks for everyone.
No, it definitely sucks, because although I have a lot of IRL ppl using it, I get literally 20 advertisement posts in a row in between posts from my IRL people. It it absolutely hideous. It frequently just… breaks and refuses to load my news feed, or it will suddenly load 5-10 advertisement fake posts as I am scrolling down the feed, making a sudden huge jump up or down the page, and meaning I must scroll a ton to find the post from a real human that I had just started to look at. Half the time, I only find out about something because someone IRL tells me “did you see X that so-and-so posted?” and I go specifically to their profile page and then see it. I think they keep making their website worse on purpose to drive more people to their apps, and I am simply not installing such a data syphon for Meta onto my phone.
Precisely. This is why Reddit antagonizing its user resulted in many cheering for its downfall (me included), instead of just simply walking away silently.
This feels short-sighted. The odds of the protest having a major and immediate impact were always low. It’s not like the suits were going to have a sudden change of heart and realize they were alienating their users. The majority of Reddit’s userbase weren’t going to suddenly leave the site forever. But that wasn’t the point.
Here’s what’s changed since the API changes were announced:
- Reddit’s responses to user concerns and protests have alienated even more users than the initial changes themselves, showing users exactly how Reddit’s administration sees them.
- A whole bunch of mods, devs, and contributors who put in a lot hard work improving Reddit for free are now much less motivated to do so (if they’re still willing to do it at all).
- The protest raised awareness of federated Reddit alternatives, which have grown substantially as a result. A lot of those people who helped improve Reddit for free are now turning their attention to kbin and Lemmy instead.
- Reddit is on a clear trajectory. They’ve shown they will continue making user-hostile decisions and antagonizing their userbase in pursuit of further growth.
We now have an established alternative to Reddit that has reached a critical mass for growth. A lot more people are now working on making the fediverse better, and communities are forming that will attract new users on their own. From now on, every time Reddit makes another move like this, more people will move over (or get closer to moving over) and Reddit will drop in quality even more as a result. If there’s ever a Digg V4 moment (maybe when they kill old.reddit), the fediverse will be much more prepared to take on the mass exodus that results.
It’s remarkable to me that Reddit could have let one of their PR drones write a post that essentially took seven paragraphs to say, “Sorry but we have to” and it probably would have mostly blown over.
But Huffman’s ego took the wheel and he had to make it personal. Instead of just leaving, people are actively cheering for Reddit’s downfall.
It always amazes me that these idiots don’t have a think tank which has great ideas for them and can tell them when their own ideas are shit.
If I was rich. Absolutely 100% would do this. It would be like cheating at life.
It seems like everyone who runs a large social media platform believes we live in a meritocracy and they’re somehow geniuses.
Naw, cheating at life is if your Daddy owns an emerald mine in apartheid South Africa, then you get smart people to do the thinking and PR for you.
There’s a risk that you’ll start to believe your own PR and try to do it yourself, though. I can’t imagine that going well.
I made the move too. Doing my part.
It’s too early to say I think. We all think the most active posters have left but only time will tell if the content left on reddit is sufficient.
Yep, it’s going to take a few months for the spam bots to really take control of the default subs. There’s still several subs’ mod teams who are in active standoffs with the admins about the NSFW tag, and I believe there’s still a large amount of lesser known/popular subs that are either still completely inaccessible or in read only mode.
And time for the Lemmy apps to mature, which is happening at a staggering rate.
The people here now are most willing to deal with the friction but as the ecosystem matures and the content grows, I would expect word of mouth to help maintain some steady growth even with no additional Reddit drama.
Yeah I took a bunch of my subs private again on July 1st and haven’t had any more messages from the admins.
I’m going back to Reddit from time to time to check the situation and read some micro-communities that i follow and that did not jump the ship.
I gotta say that my previous feed was deeply tailored between interesting discussions, tech and gaming news and some meme and futile discussion (like askmen or aita).
right now, that fine calibrated feed has become an uninteresting mess of memes, reposts and low-quality content. I see that users are still there because upvotes are still high, but it’s not as interesting as it was before.
this might very well be my own perception based on who i followed, but I got the feeling that reddit got taken over by people who only enjoy low-quality content, kind of like facebook, where I used to enjoy discussions with my friends and now it’s just ads and influencers.
This is how it feels to me as well.
It only cost them the trust of those who trusted them most.
Trust is like a mirror. When broken, you can put it back together but you will ALWAYS see the cracks.
I don’t own a mirror and use random reflective surfaces if I need one, metaphor THAT
