(Edit: I think instead of “was never (intentionally)” you meant “was not originally”?)

Regardless of who was first, Threads exists now. If we tell people on Reddit to come join us here on the “Threadiverse (minus Threads itself, except some instances might actually choose to federate with it, while others do not…)”, isn’t that confusing?

I wrote a post about this a couple months ago but ironically PieFed.social had major federation issues for the next week so barely anyone saw it (except those I discussed it with in other conversations). Anyway db0 suggested a really cool name: the Forumverse. 😎

And as @blaze@feddit.org mentions here, I too just call it Lemmy+PieFed+Mbin (& maybe +Sublinks someday we hope?:-)

That said, atm >99.9% of communities are on an instance running Lemmy (for now), so whatever software you use to connect with it - perhaps an app like Voyager or Sync or Connect or Thunder, or Mbin connects with Lemmy (and presumably PieFed?), and PieFed connects with Lemmy too (here is the community !piefed_meta@piefed.social that I’ve already subscribed to from a Lemmy instance so you can immediately see it in action), the majority of the content across the Threadiverse (exclusive of that actually on Threads.net itself) is being funneled through Lemmy, like even if I on PieFed submit a post to !tenforward@lemmy.world, that’s on “Lemmy” where it “lives” - right?

PieFed at least can have communities, as too can Mbin. Though one day Sublinks or some such could convert the existing database to something other than Lemmy… And also the Thunder app now has a fork that can nominally interact with PieFed, so the lines really are getting more blurry.

TLDR: Anyway, we need a cool new term!:-)

And for our accounts I keep using “Fedizen”, to be more inclusive than just Lemming, despite how cool that is - bc Mbin and PieFed (& one day Sublinks) are part of “us” all too, right!?:-D

Didn’t we just do this a few days ago?

I am posting to you from it now, so yes:-). It also has a ton of other features not in Lemmy - Categories of Communities, hashtags, the ability to block all users from an instance without needing admin approval, YouTube embedding, and so much more.

On the other hand, it’s not really ready for people without the early adopter mindset bc some of the foundationals are missing - searching is primitive, notifications are often wonky, the ability to tag a person with @ is non-existent, etc. I use it as my daily driver, but I also revert back to Lemmy alts daily as well to use those features missing on PieFed, i.e. I wouldn’t yet recommend it to someone who has never tried Lemmy.

Unlike Mbin it does not connect to Mastodon or have an alternative voting scheme. PieFed connects to Lemmy using the same ActivityPub protocol - the same communities, posts, votes, users, etc. It does have an option in testing for fully anonymous voting using faked server names but I always thought it was an odd concept and so never opted into it.

I did not personally know what Flask is until you asked and I looked it up, but anyway the codebase says yes.:-)

Here’s a test for a PieFed community link: !piefed_meta@piefed.social. This is where options for the upcoming roadmap for 2025 are currently being discussed. I’ve already voted and commented but you can test to see voting working first-hand from Lemmy if you like:-). Edit: oops, I meant to link to !piefed_2025@piefed.social. Ofc just like any community on a Lemmy instance, since surely nobody from your instance has joined this new community yet, it won’t have any posts - but that still shows how the behavior is identical to that of Lemmy!:-) I did subscribe to it from Discuss.Online in case you want to see how it looks from Lemmy in the meantime.:-)

HOW DID YOU… ah, uh, I mean nuh-uh! 🤥

Also even that number of Lemmy users is an artifact of people leaving instances and creating new accounts across the Fediverse. I have 3 accounts myself that I check usually once a month, bc messages sent to my old one(s) won’t follow me so it’s the only way to make sure that someone trying to reach me can do so. And I had one on Kbin.social as well so there are now 4 OpenStars (3 looking to be active on a monthly basis) - and all of them are me!:-)

The better stat to use then is not Total Accounts but rather Monthly Active Users. In this, Lemmy has been steadily declining. We are now at <41.9k, after we held steady for awhile earlier this year at 45k. The peak after the Rexodus was ~52k - see https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/, the number of instances has gone way down, the number of accounts per instance gone up, it looks like people are abandoning single-user instances in favor of the larger multi-user ones. But Lemmy.World used to hold ~80% of all Lemmy users while now it is closer to like 37% iirc, so overall we are becoming more centralized on average, but also stabilizing into a few established instances, and decentralization at the peak is also happening as well - especially after yesterday’s announcement that will drive even more people, and entire communities, away from Lemmy.World further.

Overall engagement is up though - so more posts and comments from fewer people, those of us who remain here have become more active.

Well, what did you expect it to do, jumping all over it like that!?

The other user (at least, the one you responded to) was just trying to define where they would draw the line, saying both:

I dont like the idea of banning people for speach that isnt calling for actionable violence.

But also:

I think bans for clearly bad faith reports is fair.

U think people should at least be warned prior to being sent to the sinbin.

So they aren’t fully against banning people.

I think I am not a fan of that “feature” either, though tbh I don’t really care. It’s not like you can have a conversation with any of the mods to find out why something happened, if they ban you or lock the thread - even Reddit had modmail, but here we have… uh… ah… well, this <gestures around>.

If we want something different, then we need to build it. As PieFed, Sublinks, and K/Mbin have all been doing, but they haven’t even approached reaching feature parity with the likes of Lemmy yet, much less Reddit. It would take a lot more contributors to the code to make that happen. Fortunately PieFed is in Python and Sublinks Java, or something like that, whereas Lemmy is in Rust that so few are willing to learn.

Right now the best thing that someone can do to help contribute, other than writing code, is to create & mod a community that is better than sucky alternatives, and/or contribute to existing communities to offer actual content that would make this Threadiverse worth visiting.

e.g. there was !fediverselore@lemmy.ca and !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, but OP created this community to be a bit different from those. And we who come here often appreciate that :-).

We need to allow emoji reactions so I can respond with 🤢🤮. Or is there one yet for bOtH sIdEs SaMe?🤡😈

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I thought this as well… if “front” here means “Alt” then absolutely.

Not entirely true - coming from a LW account, it did not make it to Beehaw (although this post did, coming from slrpnk.net and going to lemmy.dbzer0.com).

Yeah that’s a good counterpoint to consider. I think one of the issues is that the only way to implement such is a “ban”, which is kind of a scary word. If it were called a “time-out”, to “cool off”, it could be taken differently, while to call it a “ban” seems so much more serious.

Perhaps a message delivered to them directly, e.g. as a reply, could allow them to see that first rather than just stumble upon the modlog entry later. But I’m not certain how those work: can the recipient still access the community in read-only mode to see that, and is the button to reply greyed out or could they type a long reply but then not be able to deliver it, thereby generating frustration?

And ultimately it’s a juggling act: how to handle the needs of individual new (or old) contributors who want to be free to speak, while also showing consideration for those who may not enjoy what the community becomes whenever the former crowd are allowed free reign to do so.

In Reddit we had similar issues of a community trying to be all things to all people. Post flairs helped a bit, like people could literally filter out those that they did not want (e.g., “yet another Lemmy.ml site-wide ban”). Perhaps you could go the route of offering a megathread, allowing people to post such as comments rather than making full posts? Though it was always an eternal struggle to get people to pay attention to such - like just about every single new post to r/Android was always “which phone should I buy”, even despite the two other posts within the last hour asking the identical question (perhaps mods removed those, in which case the problem was even more intense as those were simply the ones that made it through the cracks).

But whatever you do, please make it clear in the sidebar what the desires are for the community so that people are aware prior to posting. Like right now it reads to me as being receptive to all instances of potential power tripping mods, similar to AITAH.

You have a keen mind. I trust you to find a vision for the community that you are comfortable with, that will be compatible with what can be implemented in Lemmy:-).

That is intentional - the modlog used to say who, but then it changed and now it just says “mod”.

Though the lack of federation of reports is planned to be fixed, somewhere in like 0.19.20 iirc (the current version is 0.19.18).

This is precisely the issue. I mean it’s probably not great that they choose to be tankies in the first place, but that’s on them to decide how to live, and in the meantime at least let the rest of us know what’s up?

However, like the Alt-Right people who showed up to the USA capital on January 6th to “defend the constitution” (despite admitting to never having read it), there are certain segments of society whose walk does not match the talk, i.e. they replace facts with “alternative facts”.

So rather than you having to find a way to block them, they have already blocked you. Which puts you ahead!

OP has a 3 month account, so if this event occurred 2 months ago then they would not have known.

You could put a note into the sidebar asking not to post certain topics that are already extremely well known?

Both sides would genocide the other in a heartbeat if given half a chance - it’s just that one side currently has the means to and is actively doing so.

That said, lemmy.ml is well known for its authoritarian and entirely non-transparent moderation style, which is not communicated to new users well in the slightest and generally they find out after having been banned. Well, now you know.

Read more at https://feddit.nl/post/16246531, and there’s an entire community at !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works dedicated to exactly this topic:-)

The problem is that right or wrong, the admins of Lemmy.ml are the developers of the Lemmy codebase, so the issue is not so much that Alt-Left tankies have taken over a centrist forum space so much as the latter has decided to move in encroaching upon the space literally designed for the former. And there are very few to no open source alternatives, though PieFed is making great strides and Sublinks was at one time too (and hopefully will again).

Moderator reports are currently not federated with remote Lemmy instances - so with your account being on Lemm.ee and the !news_summary@lemmy.dbzer0.com being on a different instance, whatever reports are being made you are not able to see them. This is only one of the many ways in which moderator tools for Lemmy suck ass atm. Another way is how that list of reports cannot be sorted or filtered in any way, besides resolved yet or not.

Maybe, but it does serve as a warning to knock it off, so if that happens then a stronger response is warranted next time.