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  • wpb@lemmy.worldtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldboth pretty extreme
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    11 days ago

    Yeah allowing even a single Palestinian speaker at the DNC, with vetted speech, and a promised endorsement of Kamala is really a lot to ask, what were those tankies thinking? Even the smallest step in the direction workers rights or not doing genocide was one too many for the Kamala campaign. The democrats rightly lost by pandering to billionaires and oligarchs rather than courting voters.





  • I think you’re kind of missing the point. I was pointing out the obvious self contradiction in the Bush-Cheney era “you’re either with us or against us” war criminal rhetoric. I’ll spell it out some more.

    You personally are not providing weapons to Israel, nor intelligence. Does this mean that you personally are actively aiding and abetting Palestine?

    When America invaded Vietnam, Angola did not provide weapons and intelligence to Vietnam. Does that mean Angola was actively aiding and abetting Vietnam?

    When America invaded Iraq, France did not provide weapons and intelligence to America. Does that mean France was aiding and abetting Iraq?













  • EDIT: lot of downvotes, no replies. I know I talk a lot about gaza in this comment, but that’s just because that’s something I know about. I’m way less informed about the Ukraine conflict. Ultimately this comment is just asking for what you believe and why you believe it, read the final sentence first.

    I kind of tapped out on paying attention to this conflict, I’m already losing enough sleep over the genocide in Gaza.

    With the conflict in Gaza, my opinion is that a ceasefire would be best, followed by an abolition of the apartheid state by means similar to how the one in SA was abolished (forced by global divestment like that enforced by 1986 US anti-apartheid act, etc). On a moral level, this solution feels unsatisfying. So much land has been stolen from the Palestinians, and part of me wants them to fight and win it all back, so advocating for a peaceful resolution hurts. But I also know that realistically, continuing to pursue armed conflict will only result in more Palestinian deaths, and more loss of territory, so I reluctantly join protests in favor of a ceasefire.

    I realize that the conflicts are different. Russia is much more powerful than Israel, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing has been going on for decades, etc. So I don’t know what to feel about the Ukraine conflict. The pro-peace POV I’ve already heard. Ceasefire, concede Crimea to Russia, Ukraine becomes non-NATO zone, and the killing stops. For the pro-war people in the Ukraine conflict, what are you hoping for, and what facts make you feel this hope is realistic?