And for filler treatments apparently.
rowling also wants to retcon the og cast members of the films, because they dont like to be associated with her transphobia.
the thing i don’t get is why people are focused on the transgender community so much?
Pirating Harry Potter stuff is now not only a moral thing to do, but almost a moral obligation.
I have always hated Harry Potter. I hated Harry before it was cool to hate Harry.
I’m a mother fucking golden hipster God!
I’d say just don’t engage with it at all.
If someone talks about it, pretend ignorance. Like total ignorance of any aspect of the stories.
Or, if someone mentions it, just say you don’t give bigots money.
Editing to expand: by pirating you are perpetuating the cultural impact. The majority of people pay for access to this media, and by engaging with it you make it more costly for other people to skip it.
Even if you pirated, speaking about the movies will encourage other people to watch it, and they might not pirate it. It’s indirect, but it could still give that transphobic doll money
Maybe once they are dead, because history is history. But otherwise…
Just pirated the whole movie series lol
This is why the new tv series will be hated by all. They had a chance to remake and sanitize the series away from the grimy hands of JK and instead they doubled down. So if anything this remake might be even more offensive.
The wild thing is that growing up I had all the conservatives and bible people trying to stop us kids from reading the demonic Harry Potter novels. Now that they realize the author is one of them, they suddenly love the books about witchcraft!
They had a chance to remake and sanitize the series away from the grimy hands of JK
Did they really? My impression was that she used her copyright control
Unfortunately, they won’t be hated. A lot of people don’t actually care all that much about trans people :(
Or anyone else for that matter
They will cast Snape as black and the audience will wonder why Harry immediately hates him.
Are you not aware that Snape literally has been cast as black? Because if not that’s hilarious coincidence.
That’s the confusing thing to me, clearly the left audience is done with JK, but the show is also pissing off the right with “woke casting”
Just like the best selling game of the year, Hogwarts Legacy.
I don’t think Hogwarts: Legacy doubled down, though? It’s definitely sad that she made money off that game being sold, but she didn’t have any hand in the writing. The game has trans characters and allows the player to be trans as well.
she does profit from the IP being sold. and people were like defending the game and her transphobia.
My comment was only to point out that the mainstream does not care about JKR’s take on trans people and that anything Harry Potter will print money, which is the opposite of OP’s take on things.
It’s one thing to still support someone despite them having some problematic opinions on the side. I do it, you probably do it, it annoys the shit out of me to know that this thing that I like is made by someone who shares opinion with which I strongly disagree with, sometimes that are even against me, personally, as a trans person.
But not understanding something, being ignorant and being kind of an asshole about it, is very different than what this hateful bitch is doing. She has dedicated her entire life to make people like me fucking miserable. And it’s working!
I’m having a very hard time reconciling the fact that lots of people love Harry Potter and some people in my entourage are the same and they will support and pay for stuff made by this horrendous person regardless because this universe means that much to them. My sister is like that. I’m having a very hard time with that. I don’t want to be that person… but fuck this hurts.
The worst part is that most people don’t know about it. Most people don’t know how much of a hateful, awful person J.K. Rowling is. And I have to admit, those people in my life, I’m genuinely afraid of telling them. Because I know that there is a chance that I’ll tell them everything, and that in the end, they won’t change a thing. Because my rights as a human being matters less to them. And I don’t want to find that out…
I hate everything about this.
I’m not trans, but I feel your pain. It sucks, a lot. Why do people have to be so hateful?
Low IQ and a lack of hobbies
I think that you shouldn’t tell people to stop enjoying what they love but to stop buying and funding her campaign.
It is hard to convince people to give up on their interests but it is reasonable to tell them where the money goes.
I myself I am mostly pirating all stuff. I could even help someone pirate it and do it for them. I think they would understand and agree to it. I would add that If they buy something from hp we are not friends/family anymore but if you ask me to pirate it then we could watch it together.
That’s my advice on how to approach this in a reasonable manner and if you need help pirating any hp stuff PM me and I will explain how to set everything up
First, let me start with saying I am sorry. Currently, the world seems very preoccupied with cocks and vagina’s and who should have what. (Kinda weird, but yeah).
I love Harry Potter. It was the first series of books that really resonated with me. It is really sad to see that someone, who came from nothing and gained it all. Could live the dream, have all the money and affection, is such a massive cunt.
Yet somehow, it doesn’t make me stop loving Harry Potter. When reading the books again, it reminds me of my childhood. Me reading at 2:00 in the morning underneath the blankets with a pocket light in me mouth to not let anyone know I am not sleeping. Daydreaming about such a world where magic exist.
The solution, I am afraid, is something I cannot provide. Money buys news, news poisons the minds. I stand for humanity, and all humans. No matter which configuration. And if someone wants to have a nice pair of tits and cunt instead of a dick, go on and have your merry life.
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I don’t know if this is helpful or not. What is your solution?
I don’t know, there’s a lot of racism and anti-Semitism in those books as well. I mean the money obsessed long nose goblins? Cho Chang?
They’re good stories, but they do reflect the work of a fundamentally biggoted author.
In general the entire series is mean-spirited. You can see the roots of Rowling’s hate in how she describes any of the series antagonists.
It is important to separate art and artist.
People get a lot of comfort out of religious text knowing next to nothing about the author(s).
This also means you can hate on JK Rowling without making any connection to HP.
You can separate the art from the artist for sure but when people are buying HP branded stuff, they are directly contributing to this.
Totally agree. Although in today’s digital world there is no need to spend any money on HP.
I’ll admit this is easier for me because I was never a huge HP fan. But I don’t even pirate it because I don’t want to increase its cultural impact. I don’t even want to seed the torrent, and leeches suck. I want Harry Potter to disappear because even after Rowling dies, the profits will go towards a transphobic foundation.
In some cases piracy increases total revenue by getting more people interested in the product.
The product itself isn’t bad. But you do have a point.
Let’s compare Orsen Scott Card and Rowling. I’m never going to be pressured into taking kids to an Enders Game theme park, but piracy will make Univeral theme parks (and therefore Rowling) lots more money. Disney made more money from selling Churros than streaming.
No. I’m so tired of this. You can like the IP but you can’t spend a single dime on it without funding transphobia. That’s what we are talking about here.
Edit: The IP also should just die. Its popularity fuels hateful policies and attitudes against my existence.
Edit: This comment on it says it succinctly: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/26719393/14648789
And this is why I pirated Hogwarts legacy…
For me the whole IP has been so tainted by her behavior that I can’t even enjoy it if I didn’t pay. I get a gross feeling from it, like I’ve stepped directly into some filthy place and must be careful not to let anything touch me.
Understandable
If you are going down that road then there are much big targets to aim at. Are you also applying the same anger (and logic) to organised religion?
The same arguments apply and they are multiple times more powerful than Rowling.
Yup, fuck organized religion
Yeah okay, you are not being genuine. That much is clear now. This is a post about J. K. Rowling using profits from her IP to fund transphobia. People run in to defend the franchise, we try to explain how giving her money means more policies against us is bad, and then you object to that?
Ofc we are talking about HP in the HP post. Why would I talk about religion here? She gave a significant meaningful amount of money to fund hate against me, and she continues to be influential and use her and her IPs popularity to make peoples lives harder.
Why do you think I don’t speak up against any church or organization funding hate and bigotry? You are not being genuine.
giving her money means more policies against us is bad, and then you object to that?
No, you went further and are hating on people liking HP. You are attacking the art not the artist. I am defending art in general. I am not defending Rowling at all or encouraging funding for her. Everyone should pirate anything HP related.
Why would I talk about religion here?
Because you are confusing the art and the artist. That precedent should not be allowed no matter the topic. (By equating religion to art I can make my point quicker. Note I’m not choosing any religion in particular)
Why do you think I don’t speak up against any church or organization funding hate and bigotry?
Do you also try to stop people from believing in that religion? From reading those religious books? No. The art is separate.
You are not being genuine.
I’m highlighting how art and artist are separate. No-one should feel guilty about enjoying a fictional book.
No, you went further and are hating on people liking HP.
Where did that happen?
The IP also should just die.
It is important to separate art and artist.
I completely disagree, both on a subjective selfish aesthetic level, and on a moral level.
On the aesthetic side, you’re doing yourself a huge disservice by making this separation. You’re missing out on this whole other dimension a piece of art has to offer you; namely the context that the author operates in. Star Wars gains this whole other rich level of interpretation if you consider the fact that George Lucas lived through the invasion of Vietnam and other forms of US imperialism and completely opposes it, for example. You’re missing out by ignoring the author.
On the moral side, the argument is more obvious, I think. By ignoring the author you’re denying yourself the opportunity to spend your money and support folks in a way that aligns with your own morals. In my case, I consider trans people people, and think they deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. Since I know J K Rowling completely disagrees, I know that if I spend money on her, I will be putting money in the pocket of someone, and platforming them, who actively works against my morals. And I’m thankful for being able to know that spending money on her goes counter to my own morality.
Obviously if the authors views are reflected in the work then there isn’t a separation. HP is badly written with many failings, but it is enjoyable and not anti-trans itself. The art does not reflect the beliefs of the author.
On the moral side, no money needs to be given directly or indirectly to Rowling.
The art does not reflect the beliefs of the author.
It really does though. The moral universe of Harry Potter says a lot about J K Rowling as a person, and there are many parallels with her own life. Morality in the Harry Potter universe is not inherent to an action, but to an actor. Is bullying bad? Depends on who does it. If a bad guy does it (for example the Dursleys), then it’s bad. If a good guy does it (Hagrid), then it’s good! There’s a parallel with the abolition of slavery about half way through the series, and it’s only one character doing it, and they’re the butt of the joke. And of course there’s Cho Chang and Blackie Shackleslave or whatever she called the one black character. The work speaks volumes about her, and vice versa. And you’re depriving yourself of this deeper level of analysis. You’re missing out.
There’s a YouTuber called Shaun who’s done a thorough analysis of her work and its parallels with her dealings with nazis and fellow transphobes. It’s worth a watch.
FUCK OFF JK YOU FUCKING TWAT.
Thar is all
Imagine getting all that wealth just to use it to hurt people
You are describing most of the billionaires.
There is a difference between abusing people to generate money and spending money to hurt people
Most of the Billionaires do both.
My intuition says you’re right, but I’ve learned to question it from time to time. I don’t know any billionaires myself, nor have I read much about them, so I don’t really have any facts either way. Got any sources I should look into?
The 1st thing always come to my mind is Nestlè. But there are many others, doing worse. Like Chevron, Elon Musk and others.
And this is why we boycott these cunts. Stop reading the books, stop watching the films, stop buying the merch, and stop playing the games. Every dollar you spend goes towards funding hate. All of these “separate the art from the artist” people can fuck off. If you actually believe that, YOU are the problem.
You can’t with her. She will have infinite money until the day she dies and will keep spending it on hate. Some people are too far ahead to boycott successfully and unfortunately she is one. Hopefully she pays in the next life
Just because you’ve given up doesn’t mean anyone else should. You don’t have to be able to solve the problem to at least stop making the problem worse. Tiny incremental progress is better than perfection, because the latter doesn’t exist, and if it did, it would be made out of lots of tiny incremental progress.
You also have to remember these people have a voice because we give it to them. She can be as rich as she wants, but we keep paying attention to her and she’ll keep being a bad influence on humanity. There is this weird thing with humans where we tend to assume people with money are worth listening to, when 999 out of 1000 of them are fucking worthless pig fuckers.
You also have to remember these people have a voice because we give it to them.
In some ways, sure, but these people also have a voice because owning-class mass media gives it to them. You can literally buy a figurative microphone. Pay for a platform. We don’t assume people with money are worth listening too, they’re simply the ones talking on every channel.
And they only have power because we listen. Engagement drives profit. Fox News isn’t profitable because they tell the truth.
Rowling doesn’t get paid when you buy used. Got the entire set of movies or books? Sell them to a used book store or donate them to the library. Give them away on Craigslist. Make it easy for people not to buy them new. Also, boycott new media like the HBO series by cancelling your subscription or calling out the actors online for participating.
I turned my wife into a nerd and now we go to half price books.
You can’t separate the art from the artist, but I can damn well ensure that none of my money goes to them.
Secondhand all the way baybee
I turned my wife into a nerd
reads this in Life Of Brian
“A nerd??”
“I got better”
Oh come on, that is “the quest for the holy Grail” and you know it!
derp. you’re right.
I blame it on being turned into a newt
A witch! Witch!
A newt!?
I think im gonna give my old books to the library…
Not that I see any chance of it, but I’d love to see her get sued into oblivion (i.e. by the people directly harmed by her) as we’ve seen with the likes of Alex Jones.
Watching such a fall from grace would be enormously satisfying.
… you can consume without her profiting….
With brown butter and asparagus.
I fear the fungus in her house spoiled her meat. But it’s worth a try.
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Not only that, but he doubled down on it! I can’t remember the exact quote but it was something along the lines of “that judge was jealous. Everyone wants to fuck a 13 year old.” FFFFFUUUUCK. Goddamn these rich fucking cunts. I don’t think there is anything that gets me more charged up than hearing about a fucking pedophile that got a lenient sentence. The only purpose they can serve this world is to be made an example of. A brutal, sadistic example.
Tom Cruise is another example I fucking love to give. His movies keep Scientology afloat (in the case of sea org, literally). His movie’s profits fund slavery and abuse. STOP WATCHING HIS FUCKING MOVIES.
He drugged and raped a 13 year old child.
I hope everyone here is sane enough to understand that that is a lot worse than what JK Rowling is doing here.
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Funding a hatred campaign with the sole purpose to dehumanize a certain part of the world’s population isn’t that much better, though. Her actions have a lot more victims.
Polansky is disgusting and so is Rowling, but in a different way.
Trolley problem nuance, and morons are downvoting you
My kid’s school do a trip to Harry Potter World. I think it will be next year for him. I really don’t want to give my money to that vile woman, but I also don’t want him missing out. Looks like it’s time to start petitioning the school to go somewhere else.
That’s a phenomenal idea. If they push back, you could always involve your local paper. It kinda depends on where you live and the political leanings, though. If you are in the red, it may not do any good.
I would beg my kids not to eat at Chick Fil A, but inevitably hanging out with friends they would end up there on occasion well aware of their stance on various issues. Whenever they did eat there, I would make a $50 donation to GLAAD. I felt it was a small gesture to at least bring some balance to the Universe.
I just find this argument to be ridiculous. If you grew up with the bookes and movies and own them what harm are you doing by still enjoying those memories?
Enjoy the memories the books gave you, reread them if you still have the books if you want, but don’t buy more new stuff from that author.
Don’t buy tickets to the Harry Potter experience, don’t watch the new series or get the new game.
Because you are going to talk about them. You are going to let others borrow them. They may decide they want a copy of their owm. Or they may talk to others about it, and those people may decide to get copies of their own. Do you see how this works?
Could always pirate them
“Seperate the art from the artist” is great… when they’re dead. As always, you have to consider where the money goes. While she’s alive it goes to her, and she uses it to do evil.
What would happen if some TG activists and/or allies set up a combined small publishing house and retail store that sold copies of her books without permission or royalties paid, perhaps even DVDs of her movies?
It doesn’t matter. Keeping her in the cultural zeitgeist is the same as giving her money directly. We live in a connected world. Word of mouth is engagement, and engagement drives profit. Talking about her works to friends, family, or strangers on the internet keeps her relevant. The most gracious thing we can do is to force her into obscurity. Every other solution that benefits humanity involves cutlery and an iron will.
The activists and/or allies might get sued by Rowling and her publisher(s) (and whatever production company(/ies) that make her movies) would argue that the activists are stealing money from Rowling.
If they are right, Rowling suffers.
If they aren’t, it might undermine their arguments about copyright.
Either way, the political left (and much of the libertarian movement—the non-richies, in this matter) wins.
Boycotts work! Don’t watch her show on HBO and cancel your subscription after The Last of Us season finale of course. If her brand becomes toxic nobody will fund projects around it and she will fade into obscurity.
To many people care more about their immediate shiny than any lasting harm their actions do in the world.
Just look at how quickly the Nintendo Switch 2 sold out preorders, despite explicitly telling customers they won’t even own the device, and thus nintendo can fucking brick the thing whenever they want.
I didn’t subscribe to HBO when Game of Thrones was airing, I’m not about to start now.
Don’t watch anything of hers on anything, like she’ll still be getting royalties for films.
What a miserable person. More money than God and all she can do is sit around hating people she’s never met.
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This is just sad. What could have made JKR use her wealth in such an unkind way?
The difference between not being keen on trans people and making a few shitposts versus actively devoting time and money towards oppressing them is HUGE.
This isn’t just someone with an alternative opinion we’re talking about. It’s someone using more wealth than a lot of us will never touch, to fuck over an already marginalised group. She’s pure fucking evil.
It’s loathsome because she has chosen to use her vast wealth to punch down.
Sadly I’m still going to hear “Oh she gives to LGBT Charities, she just doesn’t agree with transpeople on EVERY little thing, doesn’t mean she’s a transphobe.”
Can’t she just take up knitting or photography or racing driving?
No, because she’s still traumatized by the thought that Corbyn could have won, and could have raised her taxes.
“You hurt a community the most by going after their most vulnerable.”
No because we all keep talking about her.
I’d prefer she take up parachuteless BASE diving, personally.
Is that Titanic sub company still in business?
Appreciated, I just don’t get why people choose hate as a hobby when there are much better options.
Let
Harry
Potter
Die
Just let it go.
They won’t and its crazy. I know people that just CAN’T because they made it part of their personality.
The amount of people with Deathly Hallows tattoos is crazy. My partner is among them
I know a trans person who still consumes HP media. I didn’t respect them before they came out and transitioned and I sure as hell not going to start now. They’ve always been a selfish Adult Child and they’ll never stop being one.
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The artist is not the same as the work.
The world of Harry Potter, the books, the movies, future shows or whatever involve a lot more people than just this fucking idiot shit writer. And a shitty person can anyway create a good thing that helps people.
Now in this case where the author is still alive, let people enjoy harry Potter stuff, while asking people to not send money her way. Help people pirate her books if they really want to read them, pirate the shows and movies. Better yet, make those involved in the shows and movies voice their opinion against her, make the money going to those works support trans people to counter JK. Make her see her works support the causes she hates.
Alienating people for liking some book series, movie or show that was made, paid, produced, written or whatever by some asshole won’t help the situation. In other words, in this case, harry Potter is not the problem, it’s the author.
Harry Potter is part of the problem. I am totally onboard with the idea of ‘The Death of the Author’, which is the concept that something like Harry Potter is much more than just intellectual property owned by a person. It’s a shared cultural experience which is so much bigger than one person it becomes impossible to say the author owns it.
However, J.K. is using the profits from her intellectual property to hurt people. Harry Potter is being used as a tool to hurt people. As much as I hate to say it, Harry Potter is part of the problem. At least for now. So pirate it, consume her IP without ever paying her a penny.
Also she’s not Trans rights are human rights but she wrote pollyjuice potion into her world…
Read them with a little media literacy. Birth/Blood nature keeps coming up and was one the reasons I was getting uncomfortable with the story and dropped half way though. Hagrid is naturally angry. Voldemort is evil because he was a rape baby. House Elves are natural
slavesservants. The Weasley family will always be poor(even when Harry should be paying rent or at least buying them a new car). Hell, the Irish character keeps blowing things up. This mind set in her writing reflects to JK’s views on trans. You are the way you are at birth.This. Not only is JKR a sorry excuse for a human being, she didn’t even write good stories. Ursula K LeGuin wasn’t keen on them either:
“I have no great opinion of it. When so many adult critics were carrying on about the ‘incredible originality’ of the first Harry Potter book, I read it to find out what the fuss was about, and remained somewhat puzzled; it seemed a lively kid’s fantasy crossed with a ‘school novel,’ good fare for its age group, but stylistically ordinary, imaginatively derivative, and ethically rather mean-spirited.”
Shaun pointed out how mean spirited the books were as well. I remember back when there was a mini satanic panic targeting the HP books and Philip Pullman came out and said that his books were way more anti-religion and that he should have been getting that attention.
The first book was… fine I guess. Nothing ground breaking and the weirdness was still shallow and hadn’t created a pattern yet. I was really surprised that Voldemort became the reoccurring villain. He’s just a boring villain.
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Let it go, let it goooo
