It doesn’t matter their political system or economic alignment, authoritarians always look for unproven or racist ideas to divide others away from themselves. It doesn’t matter what race or for which political idea, racism is always bad and corrupts all ideas.
It’s easier than accepting that all people are capable of good and evil. It’s so easy to decide villains are born that way because then the targets are easy and you’re definitely a good person.
They’re being ironic and edgy. Probably.
The question is only whether you consider ironic racism (in this case mocking 19th and 20th century “race science” with reversals of focus) to be racism regardless.
I don’t think so, but there’s also always elements of Poe’s Law to consider. Not to mention that, for example, British and American racists literally said these things unironically about Germans, reaching fever pitches in WW1.
We all know words can’t really express sarcasm or other underlying feelings or meanings very clearly. Without a /s your only able to assume if the they did or didn’t actually mean that.
So what’s the joke? Are they’re pretending to be racist without the topic (rammstein) ever mentioning race to begin with?
I don’t buy that. ‘Please excuse me. I’m just going to be sarcastically racist without anyone previously mentioning race!’ – It’s straight out of the alt-right playbook; when called out, claim it’s a sarcastic, ironic joke!
No clue, could be either. It’s text on a screen and the only emotion present, is the one you decide to apply to it.
Ask them if it was a joke or not to be sure, and if you have to ask, it’s because it might not be.
Sounds like you’re going to lengths to defend this behaviour or to differentiate it.
No apologia is allowed
Actually no, the hexbear comment is clearly bad in my opinion, regardless of if it was sarcasm.
Ironically, I’m of German descent, but whichever heritage someone is in my opinion would be the same.
Right, but there’s enough social context going on to generally assume that stans for the philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles probably don’t actually consider Germans a form of untermensch.
Most of them aren’t actual Marxists, that’s a facade for them to spread disinformation and divisive content.
You should look at US WWII propaganda cartoons. It is very “interesting”
During that time the US rounded up all Asians and put them in internment camps for “there own safety.” Let’s just say they didn’t feel very safe living in a prison. I actually knew someone who grew up in one of the internment camps. She didn’t want to talk about the experience so I’m assuming it was unpleasant.
Long story short is that no country is free from the danger of race theory.
During that time the US rounded up all Asians and put them in internment camps for “there own safety.”
Japanese-Americans only. Chinese-Americans were actually highly praised by US propaganda of the time.
Racism is arbitrary and insane.
If you say any group of people are prone to rape because of their brains, then that is racist.
Do you, for example, think Robert Downey Jr’s blackface in Tropic Thunder was racism or a criticism of racism?
Did he say ‘the African American brain is prone to sexual assault’?
That is one of the traditional meanings of blackface, yes.
It’s also clear that the intended meaning of the act is innately critical of that mentality.
If you disagree that it is acceptable that’s valid but ignoring that the act was at least an attempt at well intentioned criticism is just dishonest.
What race is German?
You can be racist against the citizens of a country. The “race” (what a shit word for humans) isn’t of matter to be racist.
Technically since racism is prejudice + power, we’d have to know they belong to whatever ethnic group holds power to know it’s racist, it might be prejudice instead. The race actually does matter according to the sociological definition, that’s why in the US they say only white people can be racist, in China it’d be Han Chinese, etc.
Edit: Seriously, I’m not making it up, if you disagree fine, but you disagree with sociologists not me (who is not a sociologist, but merely took two classes on it in my youth.)
Here see for yourself:
https://sociologydictionary.org/racism/
(noun) Any attitude, belief, or behavior used to explain and justify prejudice and discrimination against racial or ethnic minorities, on the basis of perceived inferiority.
By definition, any attitude, belief, or behavior used to explain and justify prejudice on a racial or ethnic majority is not included.
I literally got suspended for saying the stuff you guys are, good thing we aren’t in American High School or College right now.
That’s not how most people understand or use the word.
Right, but if you’ll continue reading, it’s how schools teach it in sociology class. I didn’t make the rubric, I just got suspended for questioning it.
But this isn’t a sociology class? It’s not even a sociology forum. Words can have different meanings and connotations in different contexts. The academic definition of a word does not automatically trump the colloquial definition, especially not in non-academic circumstances.
Sociology:
The study of human social behavior
Well, the sociologists have decided they’re relevant to all human interaction, so there’s that.
I don’t even know what that is supposed to mean
Absolutely fucking not. You can be completely powerless and still racist.
Unfortunately according to sociologists that is not true, those people would be “prejudice” but not “racist” with the only difference being “power.”
I was suspended for arguing against it, they seem dead set on this semantic argument.
“They” want a free pass to be racist to others and a shield from it themselves. “They” are hypocrites.
The idiots who think equality means “fuck the dealer” should stick to playing spades.
…who’s “they?” Sociologists aren’t a homogenous group, some are racial or ethnic minorities, some are racial or ethnic majorities. Both my teachers were white men.
Oh no, sociologists! Good thing they’re a hivemind, and all have the same opinion on definitions.
If your argument is that you’re using the wrong word which ultimately means the same thing, then it’s not much of an argument. It’s pretty clear you’re trying to downplay racism to be more acceptable
Racism can be against any group of people that are from a certain area or ethnic group power has 0 meaning for that.
And I know that many people in the US have some mental problems regarding political words and meanings.
Everone can be racists, Latinos and Black people are racists against each other in USA they also tend to be racist against Jewish people.
Hey don’t fight me, fight both my old sociology teachers and the sociologists who made that the definition.
OK, give me their number.
1-303-867-5309.
It sounds to me like you’re racist against Americans
See, there is the difference, USA is a immigration country with no coherent similarities between everyone. Especially because I spoke about two specific group’s and the fact that US public language uses words that had meaning but the average speaker ignores it and uses it as dog whistle without actually meaning anything.
Are there other immigration countries?
Don’t say Gaza.
What did Rammstein do again?
Gave groupies better seating so they could have easy access to them after shows. Potentially drugging some of them although that was never proven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rammstein#Concert_misconduct_allegations
It finally became news that rock bands take advantage of groupies? What’s next? A rapper actually murdering someone? A polka tuba player eating an entire cake?
It was one girl getting drugged that made the news. Even though nothing happened to her back stage.
I’m just going to continue to be happy I don’t know what Hexbear is…
You’ve likely interacted with some of their terminally-online dungeon denizens before. They have authoritarian takes that would embarrass fascists, but they call everyone else Nazis. Truly a special and unique crowd over there.
Probably best to add it to your instance blocklist now and nip that shit in the bud before you do.
They’re on .world, which defederated ages ago.
If I pay someone to do a sex crime to me, do I get in trouble or spare them the trouble?
Unfortunately illegal is illegal so, yes, they probably would be prosecuted. It’s the “crime” bit that matters. I think there was a German (lol) cannibal who consensually ate some bits of people. Prosecuted.
