And it seems karmacourt will be the first to posit that the fediverse is worth “putting in its place”, going by the upvotes in such an empty community that probably discourages those kinds of suits.
I have a friend of a friend that said you’re an alt of Leni.
It’s not me though, it’s a real friend that exists.
The fact that they’re suing “the Fediverse” as if it was a monolithic entity is real funny.
It’s amazing how Redditors can always find a new reason to make me feel embarrassed that I ever browsed the site
What time does the narwhal bacon?
Someone give him gold!
EDIT: I SAID HIM, NOT ME, BUT THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!
god kill me jfc I want that brain space back
I wonder what they’re thinking by mass-upvoting the lawsuit too. Either they’re in the wrong or we’re in the wrong.
I mean it has eight karma. Is this really that big of a deal?
In that particular dead community, yes.
OK… But I feel like when you say “mass up voting“ it implies there are like hundreds if not thousands of people engaging in this discussion. This community probably comprises 50% of the people talking about it. This doesn’t matter at all.
Sorry, I was trying to imply that somehow a dead relic of Reddit was able to partially come back to life just to show in all their Redditness that they stand by her.
The complaint is regarding a known sock puppeter. Those votes are almost certainly all from the same person. And even if not, then those other accounts who write just like her but only because they ‘collaboratively compose their messages’ could be doing the upvoting.
Eta: ohhhhh it’s this mofo. Let it go, CraigOhMyEggo. We get it. You’re a serial Leni defender. But no, and I can’t say this loudly and hard enough, getting 8 upvotes on a joke subreddit doesn’t show that the whole of the fediverse is wrong for telling Leni to fuck off. And even if somehow this was a good way to make that point, in some crazy universe, the fediverse doesn’t hinge on reddit’s opinion of anything. Most fediverse folks don’t give a shit about redditor’s opinion. Or we would be on reddit.
This is a really pathetic attempt to revive the argument for Leni. You need to move on with your life.
Dude I don’t know How else to say they clearly don’t give a shit and neither should we. There are like 30 people in the world who are even thinking about this right now and I’m embarrassed to be among them. Just move on
Yeah, the whole point of the Fediverse is it’s decentralized. Each instance has its own independent administrators so if you come across an instance you don’t like, you can just post to another one. Lemmy isn’t just one site but hundreds of sites that communicate together.
May I ask then (since you seem to be known for going around bragging about the person in question seemingly being banned from all these different places), why even brag that if you say here that the whole point of the fediverse being the fediverse is that it’s not a “ban” in the same way as a Reddit ban? You keep saying Leni has alts and is supposedly ban evading. Now what you’re saying undermines those words, “ban evading”.
The logic probably is that they were banned from most of it due to instances asking it from one another, so they might as well.
Oh, of COURSE that’s the user they’re complaining got banned. The Nazi troll with a thousand alts on a dozen sites, all speaking in the same voice to defend her, who has been discussed on this very sub over and over and over. Honestly, I guessed, even before seeing the username in the mod logs.
When an entire multiverse of websites tells you to fuck off, why would you even want to stay?
Just looked at OP’s recent post history, and they seem to be concern trolling about if “transracial” identities will be covered under Feddit.uk’s transphobia guidelines. https://lemmy.wtf/post/22009472/14897093
It’s not concern trolling simply to ask. I was asking based on the fact they mentioned rushing through the process as they were short on time.
Right, and those buckets of cat litter surely are for furry students, right?! It’s not concern trolling if I’m simply asking questions.
An honest question is an honest question no matter how stupid it might sound.
She probably sees the number of fediverse participants that banned her as a drop in the bucket (not that it isn’t, the fediverse is huge) and takes advantage of the fact that the communities that are supposed to have banned her are technically still functional to her. She made a vent way back where she said it couldn’t have been a true ban due to this and because the TOS was never violated.
The lawsuit though is (supposedly) by a different person who says the two of them maintain the motives for the bans to be false. The upvotes in Karmacourt (which is otherwise mostly a dead community) signify they don’t put it past the fediverse.
When you’re instance banned and try to post to a community that is going to an instance you’re banned from it will appear as if you’re posting in that community like normal, but the post won’t federate. Only users native to their instance will be able to see the posts (in Leni’s case, only lemm.ee users can see those posts). Let’s say you’re instance banned from lemmy.world. You could seemingly post to a lemmy.world community on a lemm.ee account, but the post won’t actually show up for lemmy.world users.
are technically still functional to her
Leni’s still banned. I don’t know why you seem so insistent on trying to say they aren’t. You don’t seem to understand how federation works.
https://lemmy.world/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://lemmy.ca/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://lemmy.ml/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://sopuli.xyz/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://feddit.uk/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
https://lemmy.cafe/u/shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee
http://beehaw.org/u/shinigamiookamiryuu
Leni attempted to post in a Beehaw community. Leni is instance-banned from Beehaw. This post isn’t visible to anyone on the Beehaw instance. In fact, the post isn’t even on Beehaw, it was posted on lemm.ee.
When you’re instance banned and try to post to a community that is going to an instance you’re banned from it will appear as if you’re posting in that community like normal, but the post won’t federate. Only users native to their instance will be able to see the posts (in Leni’s case, only lemm.ee users can see those posts). Let’s say you’re instance banned from lemmy.world. You could seemingly post to a lemmy.world community, but the post won’t actually show up for lemmy.world users.
That’s what I mean. It still has an audience. It just uses the programming done to block people, which is the reverse than how blocking works on other websites. Those people can’t see it, but the post can still be popular, especially if it wasn’t popular in the instance the person is banned from. The fediverse was made backwards.
I don’t know why you seem so insistent on trying to say they aren’t.
Not what I was getting at, as it’s not as if there is no impact. Though they can technically ban her from those individual communities anytime they want. They just haven’t, except for Davel.
Leni attempted to post in a Beehaw community. Leni is instance-banned from Beehaw. This post isn’t visible to anyone on the Beehaw instance.
No, but it’s not invisible. This has been a major negative point about the fediverse. She can, for example, advertise some shit in link form and get traffic, minus any mod being able to do anything about it, because they can’t see it. But other people can.
What makes you think the posts cannot be reported? They exist on the lemm.ee instance. Lemm.ee mods and admins can see those posts. When you post to another instance you aren’t actually leaving your native instance. It’s more like trying to forward a letter to someone. In Leni’s case their letters to lemmy.world are never leaving the post office (lemm.ee), but the staff at the post office (lemm.ee) can still see their letters, even though the recipient (lemmy.world) isn’t getting them.
but the staff at the post office
Exactly. The whole hometown can see those letters. And very occasionally people from other instances. She has memes in places where she is supposedly banned that have upvotes in the double digits.
Not an argument I’d make, but there’s also the fact that admins that are willing to make such bans are also often willing to ban other people on a whim. And when the going gets rough, they often go to places that are less willing to ban people for small matters. Saying this because many will use this to say lemm.ee is the inevitable future of Lemmy.
Context for those unaware:
“A friend of mine” OP is referring to Call Me Leni, who was banned from several instances and communities for being a KiwiFarms member, among other things, and OP has a grudge against the Fediverse for this. Leni shouldn’t have linked their KiwiFarms posts on Lemmy, and linked Lemmy threads talking about them on their KiwiFarms account. That wasn’t very bright of them.
Call me Leni also defended KiwiFarms as a “free speech” site and tried to conflate the hate site with Discord:
I take it OP feels like the Fediverse is violating “free speech” for banning KiwiFarms members.
I’m not her. We went over this in my last post you visited. You are just stalking at this point. What grudge do you have against me anyways? Is it not clear we are talking about a common subject?
As for the rest, anyone can click a link within a link.
This is fucking hysterical. You realize the person you’re replying to didn’t say you were Call Me Leni? You denying it without accusation like that is uh… not a great look!
This shit’s hilarious. They’re so deep in the “just asking for a friend” trope, that they get defensive pre-emptively, therefore giving up the game.
I will say for sure, Leni sure does a lot of random “friends” who routinely pop up on the same social media she hangs out in, to defend her with a massive amount of insider knowledge. I barely get my friends to even look at memes on fediverse I sent them :D. Leni has the most obsessive and dedicated “friends” in the world, I’ll tell ya.
It is way, way past my bedtime, and my meds wore off, so out of curiosity I clicked through to the link on Reddit again and…
Yeah there’s no way that the user who submitted this to ‘court’ isn’t the same fucking person. I’m going to quote a post they made to /r/Lemmy. I don’t recommend trying to read it, but if you do… yeah they’re all the same person. I’m done playing nice about it. See if this doesn’t read in the exact same terrible, unreadable way:
"For those of you who don’t know, there was an act of terror that was on the news a few days ago where the perpetrator happened to be a Lemmy World mod, and everyone is talking about it due to this (and then another act of terror that happened in the same span of time where the perpetrator wasn’t a mod but where the guy expressed support for a certain guy Lemmy loves loud and clear, which one might say makes site morals look bad). The site has been known to ban anyone who supports Musk’s rhetoric as well as anyone who is registered with KF as many will always be willing to being up for ages, but what about this new evolving rhetoric? Trump is in office and just barely saved Tiktok.
On behalf of a few instances, I have been asked if you all might defederate Lemmy World, even though I have been hesitant until now to even bring it up. To me at least, I’m sure most people are going to say “apologists > murderers” as would make sense."
First of all, no one is asking this individual to represent their instance, let alone a few instances. Second, the top comment to that is literally identical to the top comments on almost everything this person writes:
“I’m confused as what you’re trying to say. I tried to follow the links, but that didn’t make it clearer, either.”
Godspeed, /u/triangularRectum420. You represent us all today.
And CraigOhMyEggo copped a ban from Santabot on slrpnk for being an alt of Leni. That’s enough for me.
The solarpunk bot banned me for a DM. None of us here are one person. If this is you playing nice, I’d be curious to know what your mean side looks like.
and OP has a grudge against the Fediverse for this.
I take it OP feels like the Fediverse is violating “free speech” for banning KiwiFarms members.
Uh, yes he did. And he has made that accusation in the past.
I don’t care about an accusation made in the past. I was responding to you denying an accusation that wasn’t made in this post. You were denying it without accusation here. You can’t, and shouldn’t, expect the readers in this thread to be aware of any conversations you’ve had in the past, and if you’re going to defend against those, it should either be made clear that they weren’t made here, or you should defend against those comments where they were made.
Because, in absence of that claim here, as I said, you’re defending against an accusation that wasn’t made here.
Eta: You copped a ban from Santa on slrpnk.net for being an alt of CallMeLeni, so that uh… seems to lend it some credence.
Simple comprehension error. Someone corrected me. Not even the point.
The solarpunk bot banned me for a DM.
Love the petty bullshit of all your replies to me telling you off, which were correct, including links to the same comment where someone says I could’ve made my point clearer.
Congrats. You found one person who says your reading comprehension might be understandable, out of the entirety of the rest of the commenters here, who all tell you to stop with your bullshit crusade… and your reaction is to passive-aggressively try and shoehorn their one comment into every single other thing you reply to me with.
I’m going to tell you, even though you refuse to listen- “engagement” isn’t a metric of success. If 300 people tell you to shut up, that isn’t 300 new friends. That’s “you are wrong,” writ large. And since you don’t understand this either, on any of these other posts you make- people stopping replying to you also doesn’t somehow make your points true. It just means you’re more exhausting than entertaining.
This is to just to say, I’m done here. I’m going to go back to blissfully ignoring you until your next bullshit move to try and defend Leni, at which point I’ll probably link whatever new folks are stumbling on your ongoing nonsense to this thread. Or any others. Goodbye. Enjoy your meaningless reply. I won’t be answering it.
If “engagement” isn’t a metric of success, why do you maintain the numbers of people telling me to shut up is a metric of the need to be quiet? Especially when my only intent here was to share something I thought would fit the community, not to “crusade”? If 95% of the people in dbzer0 are those who will feel angst over every little thing, by your logic, does that make it a bad community? Because I can see through yours.
Your reading comprehension is shit. He did not accuse you of being the leni person. Reread what he wrote.
OP in that case, the commentor could have made it more clearer, refers to the Reddit post not you.
Why do we give a shit what a bunch of losers with too much time on their hands on a shithole site think lmao
Also, if you keep getting banned from communities “for no good reason,“ I got some unfortunate news for you…
Why do we give a shit what a bunch of losers with too much time on their hands on a shithole site think lmao
Because it’s free popcorn! 🍿🍿🍿
Fair
always seems like the same gaggle of drama-generating users…
It says something though they’re all still on their first accounts.
I don’t understand. What does it say? I was on reddit for 10 years and only had one account.
I mean they’re all on their first accounts. People consider the person the Redditor is talking about as having an infamous rep, but she has only ever had one Reddit account and one Lemmy account (or, if she really does have Lemmy alts, it’s not even necessary since her first Lemmy account is still active).
It does happen. Usually in the case of peer pressure, but it does. For the same reason we have PR disasters in more mainstream politics, like the fact nobody recognizes Taiwan. It’s anti-incentivized.
It’s why I left Reddit.
Why did I know it was Lenislop before I even opened the link?
Chinese whispers
Well that’s a new term for me. Sounds… Wildly racist lol
It’s an outdated term, definitely. An alternative would be the Telephone Game, which is the same thing with a different name.
Chinese Whispers isn’t literally Chinese whispers. It’s the name of a game kids play in school. Kids line up, then whisper something in the next kid’s ear to pass it along, and once it reaches the last kid, it is spoken out loud to see how much it evolved.
I think here it’s being a metaphor for hearsay.
[Completely off-topic] Where I live this game is known as “wireless phone” (telefone sem fio). Now thinking, it’s kind of weird how the name is still there, in a world full of cell phones.
And literally no one gave a single shit
Someone must’ve considering the engagement for it.
C-SPAN in the middle of the night when Congress isn’t in session gets more engagement than that post.
[Sorry for the double comment]
Disclaimers: I’m aware that I might have an incomplete picture of the situation. As such take what I say with a grain of salt, and do call me out if I say something that is bullshit. Also, I’d rather not take intentions into account.
With that out of the way: Kiwi Farms is a cesspool, and I think that Leni should take this whole situation as a wake up call.
That site doesn’t just “happen” to contain harassment; it exists for harassment, even if Leni claims otherwise. It is not for “an angle of freedom of speech”. And even if she’s just there for some popcorn, or to discuss random stuff, clowns only perform where there’s an audience clapping and laughing at their stunts. I don’t know if she actively harassed someone, but she’s still condoning it. It’s still bad.
And, like, I know popcorn is fun, but this sort of site is better treated as “don’t touch it”. GIF related:
[I’m posting this to lighten the mood.]And linking the Fediverse in KF is even worse. The Fediverse hosts lots of disempowered people, often from marginalised groups. Linking it there is the same as saying “hey guys! Here’s a barn full of lolcows!”. Don’t - those people have enough shit to deal with, you’re only making it worse for them.
So, while I personally don’t hold any strong opinion for/against Leni, I do think those instance admins did the right thing - they’re protecting their users.
I hope the Plaintiff knows that the Karma Court is just for the lolz?
I read the first sentence and think that maybe they were doing it to lowkey show that the non-fediverse world (according to them) sees through the fediverse’s claims and motives as dishonest, not so much to sue the fediverse. In other words, a reverse-Streisand, similar to running for office and backing out for the publicity.
If true, the upvotes would suggest their plan is working.
Eh, its only 7 upvotes and only a small amount of comments, so if it was an attempt of smearing the fediverse they failed right on their stupid face.
7 upvotes (actually a few more than that since it was initially downvoted for a few hours) in a dead community that doesn’t even allow off-site suits.
a game of Chinese whispers
Most people would have called it “Telephone.”
I only know it as the “broken telephone”
OP is referring to the KiwiFarms user Call Me Leni. https://lemmy.wtf/post/22238310/14899370
Was there ever a question about that?
I’ve heard it called both, but yeah, when I was a kid we called it “telephone” too
That’s what I was thinking.
I think Chinese Whispers is more commonly the British name for the same game
Source: Am British and know it as Chinese Whispers.
