In recent years, dozens of officers worked more than 1,000 hours of overtime annually. Experts say these levels of extra work can lead to accidents and poor decision making in use of force situations.
It’s impossible to work 3000 hours of overtime in a year. This is fraud. If that person is actually working those hours, then it’s incompetence by the Sergeant above them allowing them to work that many overtime hours for no reason.
The money is in police detail work And a lot of them are able to do it during their normal shifts. The person probably did legitimately log that many hours or near that many hours, the problem is that they were able to do it in the first place.
This is what I was looking for. My last duty assignment in the USAF was working physical security at a NATO facility in Va. Part of the agreement with NATO was that no one was allowed to carry weapons. When we had off base functions with the higher ups, we had to hire local PD since they were armed. I got to talking with one and he said they make a shit ton of money on this type of stuff.
52 weeks in a year. If he worked all 52 full time it’s 4000hrs, which means we’re talking 40+ weeks which most people do work. So yes it’s within range. Remember you don’t have to be awake and working to be considered on duty. Overnight work is still paid work In a lot of industries
At the end of the day we’re both speculating here. The larger point is that unfortunately a lot of this is legal, which is the entire problem. They can get away with this shit without any recourse.
Your definition of full time is incorrect. Full time is 40h/week, at 52 weeks per year that’s 2080 hours per year. 3000 hours of overtime puts the total at 5080, or 19.5 hours per day.
That’s by working 5 days a week, every week, no vacation nor PTO nor sickness.
I think you are a bit off with your assumptions. In California, overtime is earned either when you work more than 40 hours per week, OR more than 8 hours a day.
So technically he could have for example worked three 24 hour shifts in a week, which would equal three 8 hour shifts (24 regular time hours) and three 16 hour overtime blocks (48h OT). 48 * 52 = 2,496 OT. He could have even been sleeping and on call while working that OT.
Definitely poor management but not guaranteed fraud. The math is more nuanced.
And it’s legal to have 24h shifts? Or 16h of overtime in a day?
Edit to add: I don’t know how it works in california, but where I’m from on-call duty is not the same as overtime, and you can’t mix the two. And there are limits to shift time (including on-call) + overtime. So even if it was legal to have 8h shifts and 16h of on-call duty (it isn’t) it wouldn’t be classified as overtime
theres that doubletime, trippletime, quadrupletime and time and a half multipliers to factor in too. I think you for overtime past a 40 hour wk, past 8 hours day, on a holiday, with hazard pay you can pump it way way up. We should give the same to teachers.
14.47 hour days to the maximum legal amount of days before days off. And working on holidays is time and a half or double time by default as well. Could be done. Not good, but not fraud.
The trick I read before is to arrest someone at the end of your shift, then you have to process them at overtime and possibly wait for a judge or something. They know the tricks to draw it out.
The system is absolutely fucked. My mother, years ago, had just recently given birth to my youngest sister. She was pulled over with a suspended license. She didn’t know she had unpaid parking tickets. The cop was gonna let her go until backup stopped by (why this cop needed backup for a car that had two small women and baby is suspect). One of the backup cops was vehement on arresting my mom, her newborn be damned. The first cop explained that they get a $250.00 bonus for any arrests made. He tried and tried to convince the second cop not to arrest but said cop did not care in the slightest about separating a newborn from our mom. My mother spent the night in jail because that second cop only saw dollar signs looking at her.
It’s absolutely disgusting that they have financial incentive to put people through hell.
And saying that they get a $250 bonus in front of your mom is lowkey asking if she could make a better offer. My family is mixed race, and cops are absolutely corrupt as hell.
You know, I didn’t even think about that. They could’ve gotten less for an arrest, or maybe nothing. Just another arrest to their “totally-not-a-quota”. Definitely could see them saying that as a way of fishing for a bribe. Man I hate this system that’s been corrupt since it’s inception.
Depending on internals it doesn’t even necessarily need to be an arrest, just something that requires a report. My local PD apparently needs an incident report done within 12 hours of said incident taking place, this could be as simple as checking on a weird noise and finding a cat.
It’s impossible to work 3000 hours of overtime in a year. This is fraud. If that person is actually working those hours, then it’s incompetence by the Sergeant above them allowing them to work that many overtime hours for no reason.
The money is in police detail work And a lot of them are able to do it during their normal shifts. The person probably did legitimately log that many hours or near that many hours, the problem is that they were able to do it in the first place.
This is what I was looking for. My last duty assignment in the USAF was working physical security at a NATO facility in Va. Part of the agreement with NATO was that no one was allowed to carry weapons. When we had off base functions with the higher ups, we had to hire local PD since they were armed. I got to talking with one and he said they make a shit ton of money on this type of stuff.
3151 hrs of overtime.
78.775 full-time 40 hour weeks there.
So assuming 2 weeks of vacation, he somehow managed to work 128.775 weeks in a year?
128.775/50 - let’s see how many work weeks he had to work each week to get there - 2.5755
So each week he had to be working about 2.6 normal weeks, or about 103 hours a week.
Assuming he worked 7 days each week, he was doing 14.7 hour shifts every day of those 50 weeks of working 7 days with no breaks.
Hmm.
52 weeks in a year. If he worked all 52 full time it’s 4000hrs, which means we’re talking 40+ weeks which most people do work. So yes it’s within range. Remember you don’t have to be awake and working to be considered on duty. Overnight work is still paid work In a lot of industries
At the end of the day we’re both speculating here. The larger point is that unfortunately a lot of this is legal, which is the entire problem. They can get away with this shit without any recourse.
Your definition of full time is incorrect. Full time is 40h/week, at 52 weeks per year that’s 2080 hours per year. 3000 hours of overtime puts the total at 5080, or 19.5 hours per day.
That’s by working 5 days a week, every week, no vacation nor PTO nor sickness.
It is fraud
Unaccountable fraud is the new American Dream.
I think you are a bit off with your assumptions. In California, overtime is earned either when you work more than 40 hours per week, OR more than 8 hours a day.
So technically he could have for example worked three 24 hour shifts in a week, which would equal three 8 hour shifts (24 regular time hours) and three 16 hour overtime blocks (48h OT). 48 * 52 = 2,496 OT. He could have even been sleeping and on call while working that OT.
Definitely poor management but not guaranteed fraud. The math is more nuanced.
And it’s legal to have 24h shifts? Or 16h of overtime in a day?
Edit to add: I don’t know how it works in california, but where I’m from on-call duty is not the same as overtime, and you can’t mix the two. And there are limits to shift time (including on-call) + overtime. So even if it was legal to have 8h shifts and 16h of on-call duty (it isn’t) it wouldn’t be classified as overtime
No it must be fraud because ACAB
It must be fraud because nobody can work 5000 hours a year
You’re right i used the 78 figure for some odd reason.
anyway again the sad reality is this is all probably legal, maybe grey. And we are both still speculating as to the numbers and how OT works for them.
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theres that doubletime, trippletime, quadrupletime and time and a half multipliers to factor in too. I think you for overtime past a 40 hour wk, past 8 hours day, on a holiday, with hazard pay you can pump it way way up. We should give the same to teachers.
14.47 hour days to the maximum legal amount of days before days off. And working on holidays is time and a half or double time by default as well. Could be done. Not good, but not fraud.
The trick I read before is to arrest someone at the end of your shift, then you have to process them at overtime and possibly wait for a judge or something. They know the tricks to draw it out.
Of course why didn’t I think of arresting someone just to get overtime? Probably because I’m not a fucking psychopath
The system is absolutely fucked. My mother, years ago, had just recently given birth to my youngest sister. She was pulled over with a suspended license. She didn’t know she had unpaid parking tickets. The cop was gonna let her go until backup stopped by (why this cop needed backup for a car that had two small women and baby is suspect). One of the backup cops was vehement on arresting my mom, her newborn be damned. The first cop explained that they get a $250.00 bonus for any arrests made. He tried and tried to convince the second cop not to arrest but said cop did not care in the slightest about separating a newborn from our mom. My mother spent the night in jail because that second cop only saw dollar signs looking at her.
It’s absolutely disgusting that they have financial incentive to put people through hell.
And saying that they get a $250 bonus in front of your mom is lowkey asking if she could make a better offer. My family is mixed race, and cops are absolutely corrupt as hell.
You know, I didn’t even think about that. They could’ve gotten less for an arrest, or maybe nothing. Just another arrest to their “totally-not-a-quota”. Definitely could see them saying that as a way of fishing for a bribe. Man I hate this system that’s been corrupt since it’s inception.
Depending on internals it doesn’t even necessarily need to be an arrest, just something that requires a report. My local PD apparently needs an incident report done within 12 hours of said incident taking place, this could be as simple as checking on a weird noise and finding a cat.
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