NEW YORK — Leaders of Young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their Telegram chat ever got leaked, but they kept typing anyway.
They referred to Black people as monkeys and “the watermelon people” and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery.
I’d love to say this surprises me, but it does not in the slightest.
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No one has been subjected to more vicious rhetoric and violence than President Trump and his supporters
Whiny fascists gonna whine
as always, facists and nazis are little bitch boys.
wow… this is unbelievable to everyone who has never seen or heard a republican before.
And instead of disavowing these scumbags, JD Vance is saying it’s not a big deal.
Just more “locker room” talk from the fascists.
Does that mean we can make Charlie Kirk jokes?
There was never any reason to stop. The GOP shot him too.
Just like how it’s “locker room” talk about committing sexual assault.
NYS Assembly benefits administrator here. I can’t wait to process the termination paperwork for Peter Giunta. It will be the highlight of my work week. Edit: I got to process the paperwork today!
Peter Giunta, who at the time was chair of the same organization, wrote in a message sent in June that “everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber.”
Looks like you’re not the washed up one, after all.
Remember: at the national level at least, democrats (at least the liberals) are foaming at the mouth to work across the aisle with these people and pass legislation that “every” american, including these shitstains of humanity, will agree on.
lol… no, they’re not. They just know how the game is played.
How is the game played?
Well, I’m not a politician, but I’d say for starters- it’s played by people with a firm understanding of how the concept of nuance works. That just because you want something real bad, you’re not entitled to it. And change comes with a cost. And lastly, a fuck-ton lot of compromise.
I mean, look around. Everyone thinks they know what it takes to turns the wheel. Yet no one has ever been at the wheel themselves to say as much. And somehow, we all still think we can say with certainty why things happen as they do.
No job has more armchair editors than that of a politician. So I’d say unless you have a functional understanding of political law, socio-economics, and a firm understanding of national-level budgetary administration- then you don’t know how the game is played.
But by all means, let’s keep filling in the blanks with whatever fuels our outage.
Lastly, I’ve no doubt I’ll be accused of bing a “bootlicker” or a “fascists” simply because I am not as polarized as the majority of users here, I just get that not all things can be easily spelled out in simple terms. Especially things like politics.
If you’d gotten this response to asking the question “How is the game played?” to someone insinuating that they knew how the game was played, would you feel that you’d gotten a satisfactory answer?
The guy to whom you are responding is deeply unserious. Look at their comments here and elsewhere. Dont waste your time more than I already have.
Are you seriously staking this conversation? Just because I chose not to debate with people who make up nonsense just to have a point, isn’t reason to try and steer people away from conversation.
Yes.
I, too, was interested to find out. I hope they reply to you with more courtesy than they showed me.
If you want courtesy, maybe show up with enough respect to not pump the discussion full of rhetoric and opinion.
There is no way to exclude rhetoric from any discussion. That’s what a discussion is - a rhetorical exercise. Also, none of what I said was opinion. The GOP is the party of bigots and reactionaries. When neo-nazis and religious extremists vote, they vote for the GOP. That is not really up for debate. Im sorry I triggered you by reference to objective reality.
In what world is eager collaboration with aggressively bigoted and reactionary opponents a pragmatic political strategy?
Yawn….
How is the game played? In what world is eager collaboration with aggressively bigoted and reactionary opponents a pragmatic political strategy?
I’ll tell your what; when you find yourself able to refrain from creating scenarios that serve your ideology, and are able to see things objectively- and without injecting your opinionated rhetoric into it-
I’ll answer that question.
It’s amazing to me that there are genuinely this many white nationalists/nazis irl. I honestly had no clue people were this awful and prevalent.
I’ve never seen people more openly willing to hate other humans based on race, gender or sex.
Why do we get to exist as a species if we are this toxic to ourselves?
Hating and differentiating people based on race is pretty rational as long as you believe race is a real thing. That’s kinda why it’s called race-ism.
I’ll grant “differentiating”, sure, but hating? Hard disagree.
People end up hating/rationalizing people being bad because they believe they believe people are different races.
There’s a big difference between something being rational and being able to rationalize it.
Indeed.
Race is a thing. It is a social construct, but it’s a thing.
There is only one race: the human race.
Everything else are variations.
(Not counting other species of course)
Ok, but that doesn’t mean that the concept of race doesn’t exist in the minds of most humans. Unfortunately.
Exactly - just because a thing is a social construct, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or that it somehow doesn’t affect people in real ways.
Racism is a real thing. Culture is real. Nationality is real. Ethnic heritage is real.
But race is not, in the same way that my made up category of “things that i think are bad” is not real. Yes, it exists, I guess for some people. But as a universal concept that is solidly definable, no.
Wanna try? Define me a race.
People are very very awful. The internet reveals their true selves. That’s why Ultron wanted to end humanity.
Not necessarily, I dont wanna be that guy but I was joining in with the edgy racist shite on 4chan about 15 years ago because I thought it was all humour. Its possible a lot of these are just edgy teens thinking its all japes. I mean if its not, fuck them right off, but there’s still hope that theres not as many truly awful people as might seem.
I gave up on 4chan when I started realising it looked like I was the only one laughing.
See, the thing is, though, this stuff is poison. It’s locker room bs at first, but, fundamentally it’s tribalism and deviancy division between in-groups and out-groups.
The more you dig and learn about psychology, sociology, and history, the more you ☹️ because you realize… It’s us.
My partner and I were just talking about deviancy theory earlier today, and were discussing whether or not technology has moved too fast. Yes = our brains are lizards and the internet is amplifying our current weaknesses as a species. No = ?
Yes, but THIS prevelant in real life was a suprise.
Many of them are Bandwagoners desperate for any attention. They know they will get it if they call themselves MAGA and are willing to do whatever it takes to fit in. Even if it is takes being a Nazi. Even if they are not of Nazi blood or heritage. So many that align themselves with MAGA Nazis now will be the first the put on trains if given the chance.
We do give them a lot of attention. We should but we also need to remember how badly they see out numbered
We might very well be solving that problem ourselves right now.
Anyone surprised? Yah me either.
“Character assassination” 🙄🙄🙄Please - Nazis gonna nazi.
Both sides, right?
These are Charlie Kirk’s people.
Organize the workers and prepare
I’d love to say this surprises me, but it does not in the slightest.
100%. These assholes have been trained to gaslight and trot out nonsense about Robert Byrd being in the Klan like 100 years ago, or that Democrats were the real racists because of shit that happened before the 1960s, and completely ignoring (or lying about) things like the Southern Strategy and how the parties completely re-aligned since the Civil Rights era.
Thing is, I’m a white guy and I know how these motherfuckers talk when they think they are in a safe space. I grew up in an area that was overwhelmingly Republican, deeply racist and nearly 100% white.
They ain’t fooling me, I can tell you that much. This ain’t my first rodeo, I’ve heard all this shit before, and I’ve seen these mofos in action online since the BBS days, and shortly after that, the USENET days. I don’t care what kind of rhetoric they try to dress their “movement” up with and it doesn’t matter what protocol or platform they are on…their methods and tactics like employing the Gish Gallop should not fool anyone, either.
Thing is, I’m a white guy and I know how these motherfuckers talk when they think they are in a safe space.
Same! I have the added pleasure of being a big, bearded, “straight-passing” gay man. I get to have really fun moments were the Republicans around me say despicable things about gays, I tell them I’m actually gay, then they trip all over themselves to explain how they’re actually totally cool with the gays. I call them out for being racist when that happens too. Making them uncomfortable by calmly shining light on their own words is one of my favorite group activities.
Now that I’m an adult and in not such a red area, I do notice times when I’ll get what I think are probably a few trial balloons. When I don’t bite, they don’t go any further. For example, some comment about “men in women’s sports”. Or how they will say they “identify as an attack helicopter”. Or how they should “put on a wig and a dress” so they can go into the women’s bathroom. That last one always amazes me, and I think I’ve heard it way too many times for it to be purely anecdotal. I do think the trans stuff is the go-to for this kind of thing as attacking trans is still considered mostly okay, and it’s the gateway drug for the rest of it…
But back when I was a kid/teen/adolescent - in the 70s/80s/early 90s - wow, some of the stuff just said casually, nearly all the time - unbelievable, even back then.
I’m bi, but straight passing. I got that southern boy look and draw in my voice. I do hard labor and I’ll jam out to some red dirt country music…and boy when I speak my.mind to folks like that, they don’t know what to do. I understand how you feel. It’s funny, but also annoying. Just cause we share the same pigmentation doesn’t mean we share the same views.
I want to like this comment 10 times. I feel like I’m reading my clones thoughts.
and how the parties completely re-aligned since the Civil Rights era.
“Completely” is wrong. The economically progressive policy on one side and crony-capitalist on the other have not shifted places.
One can rather describe it in the “Nazi bar” terms, racists jumped from the Democrat “bar” to the Republican “bar” and changed it for their ideas, but only where the racist categories were not orthogonal.
The end of the Dixiecrats
And some idiot in one discussion still tries to convince me there is a difference between Republicans and Nazis…
Yes, pretty much the type you’d expect to be a young Republican.
Bet you they all have amazing parents too
No. They did not worry. You think they weren’t ready for this?
I used to be an internet edgelord, until I recognized that it doesn’t matter if you aren’t actually a bigot when you act like one online. The impact is the same, it makes the real ones feel more comfortable in their views.
I also came to this realization around age 16, and it sounds like these guys are in college…
Up to age 40, not just college-age
The thing about being edgy is that it shouldn’t necessarily imply a particular political bias but if it always goes One Direction that’s indicative
One of the “Alt Right Playbook” videos talks about how the right wing don’t argue against each other. I don’t like internet videos, but i make an exception for this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4
Yep. I don’t know about similar communities on Lemmy because I avoid them like the plague, but I’ve been on reddit long enough to know that r/conservative is famous for preemptively not allowing anyone who doesn’t agree with them and immediately banning anyone if they go against the grain even a little bit, accusing them of being leftist infiltrators.
It’s the only way they can maintain their hateful bubble and their persecution fetish.
It makes for a very predictable pattern whenever something happens that MAGAts would be expected to dislike. They stay silent about it until someone higher up shows them an acceptable response or viewpoint and they all fall in line for fear of being ousted.
Lemmy leans left, which means we are all constantly arguing about it
Except they fight all the time.
It’s honestly a tactic we need to adopt. No more infighting, no more purity testing, no more abstaining
Nah fuck that shit.
Diversity is strength.
Diversity is a strength when everyone shows up, it doesn’t do you any good when you’re undermanned
Can you stop arguing with me and just agree with my point?
Diversity of views only gets you so far when everyone wants theirs on top
I’m not falling for that. The one view should be whatever proves objectively most appealing
Diversity doesn’t require anyone argue.
Similar with social media but I am making an exception for the Fediverse:-)
One thing that snapped me out of that phase was a psychology professor saying your actions define what you are.
I don’t think there are as many edgelords anymore anyways. Since the Trump MAGA era nobody pretends. It’s all out in the open now. You either are or you aren’t. Nobody hides behind the “it’s just a joke bro” stuff like in the older internet eras. The bigots aren’t hiding their power level anymore.
I definitely know people who still pretend it’s just a joke.
Same story for me as well and changed around the same age. It’s all fun and games until you realize most of these guys are not in on the joke.
